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    Rob_Hugo@PortNW
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    This is where you post your discussion on Gender and Generational Roles in Contemporary Korea by Prof. Jennifer Jung-Kim.
    Its been a good day and I'm looking foward to a great evening. Have a good night's rest, we're all tired :P. God bless you all!![Edit by="rosanna_elgohary on Aug 5, 10:59:22 PM"][/Edit]
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    #30569
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    Surgeries given to the children of elite families so that their children can have an American advantage. How insane to me—for English, or the American language to be held up on so high a pedestal that one would surgically change their child with the forethought that it puts their child one step ahead of another child. Is it because America sets itself on so high a pedestal and has caused others to believe the hype? Or is it a pedestal that other countries have created for America on their own? Aren’t Americans being taught that they need to learn other languages in order to get ahead? Why the inconsistency?

    #30570
    Anonymous
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    It seems to me that a norm existed that called for or embraced a validity and respect of women that didn’t exist in many other countries. No, they didn’t have the full range of equality, but there was a great level of power. That same kind of power didn’t seem to exist in premodern eras of surrounding Asian countries, or American culture for that matter. Women’s premodern status in Korea seemed more elevated than the modern status that needed them to really fight for their equality and independence. My question is what accounted for that norm moving in the opposite direction as time moved forward? Outside influences—the beliefs of other surrounding countries?

    #30571
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    After the two Korean professors' lectures, I am ready to pack my bags. I was moved by the Korean tourism video-- how silly is that? Well, tourism department, it worked. I'm completely embarrassed to say that I even teared up at the footage of the military demarcation zone. What a beautiful place with such beautiful countryside.

    I always thought of North & South Korea in very late 20th century American terms-- they are two separate countries who shared a heritage but are now diametrically opposed through their ideology. True in a way, but it seems that both sides want to reconcile, and it seems heart-breaking to me that the people cannot reunite. It makes me almost wish horrible things on the Kim "dynasty" (that still makes me chuckle, but I guess it's appropriate!), hoping that maybe with new leadership, Korea can reunite after all this time. And yeah, then North Korea can get some electricity so they can watch Rain and Big Mama videos...

    Maybe Jong-il and Park's daughter should have a dance-off via DDR, and the victor's ideology reigns supreme.

    #30572
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    Didn't she say that it was the Japanese influence that started the change in gender power? Or was it Confusionism? What I found incredible was the arrangements the homosexuals have to implement to live as they choose. That's immensely creative and sad. It seems to me they probably aren't fooling anyone. I will be able to incorporate a lot of the beginning of the lecture about the female equality into my lessons in ancient Asia. I think that will interest my students considering not many other cultures gave women rights of any kind. I might try comparing to the Egyptians as well. I think I will try to find the Rain video and Big Mama my students will really enjoy them. [Edit by="mlgibbon on Aug 6, 9:33:17 PM"][/Edit]

    #30573
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    For those of you who liked the Big Mama video, I found this movie: 200 Pounds Beauty

    I haven't watched it yet, but add it to your list of must-see Korean movies! Don't forget Old Boy!
    http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/oldboy-hammer-fight-corridor-scene1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3L2oYy7cbrQ1tM:http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/oldboy-hammer-fight-corridor-scene1.jpg [Edit by="kwilliamskorbel on Aug 6, 9:38:30 PM"][/Edit]

    #30574
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    I was quite interested in how they pay rent in Korea. Pay half of the price of the real estate up front, stay in it as long as you want, and get it all back when you leave. It sounds like a win win situation for everyone, that is if you can afford to pay half the price of the apartment. I wonder if some people borrow that amount and pay it just like a mortgage. I was also impressed with the testing statistics of the elite schools in Korea. Growing up in N.H., I am well aware of Phillips Exeter Academy’s reputation. Only the best of the best go there, and it is like the Harvard of prep schools. The fact that one of the elite schools in Korea out shines them is to be commended. I think I will use the opportunity to discuss the various different facets of Korea’s past and current history when I cover its connection to Japan and its help in the transmission of Buddhism. I don’t need to create whole lessons about it, but my input will help give the students a better understanding of the country.

    #30575
    Anonymous
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    In pre-modern Korea, a man and woman would have an arranged marriage, have sex (presumably for procreation sake), and eventually they would come to care for – and maybe even love – each other. As I do not know anyone who has had an arranged marriage, I must defer to the great scholars, Joseph Stein, Sheldon Harnick, and Jerry Bock. I am reminded of Tevya in Fiddler on the Roof when he asks Golde “Do you Love me?” and they decide that, after living together for 25 years and going though all the trials and tribulations life brings, they do in fact love one another. This is a beautiful moment in the musical, and I was happy to learn that arranged marriages really could end in a caring for the other person.

    As time went on, however, society changed and so did the values of marriage and the order in which these three basic elements occur. Men, according to Prof. Jung-Kim, responded in a survey that they fall in love, have sex, and then get married. Women, too, started with love, but then reported it was only after marriage that they had sex. Hmm. Something is rotten in the state of Korea. I would take a wild guess and say that the order is as the men stated: love --> sex --> marry. (I might even contest the order of love and sex, but let us keep this a focused response.) Why, then, would women change the order? I think it goes back to pre-modern society when a virtuous and desirable female was one who was a virgin. The ideal is so ingrained in their value system that a “good woman” is a virgin that these Korean women even feel the need to prove that they are virtuous in an anonymous survey.

    And of course this is not exclusively Korean. We saw the same issue this morning when discussing the trafficking of women, and we see it today in America. Even if a couple has been living together for years, at a wedding many women still feel the need to wear white and use a veil. What for? The white dress was a sign that the bride was pure – a virgin – and the veil was there to keep the identity secret. Time may have passed, technology may have advanced, but there are some traditions and values that have not left us.
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    #30576
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    Korean pop culture is so much FUN – no wonder it has caught the world’s attention. The beautiful girls lip-synching were mesmerizing, as were the backup break-dancers behind them, and Rain’s “competition” with Stephen Colbert. Everything is sleek: their never-ending apartment complexes sweeping across the sky, their stainless steel refrigerators, their razor thin cell phones that do everything, and their internet system that makes DSL seem as slow as a land tortoise. AND, they’re smart – 37 students accepted from Harvard from just one school!! Phenomenal.

    Their culture reminds me of the 1920’s Jazz Age here in the United States. The New Women in both societies were smart activists who used their intelligence to push for social awareness and change, and the Modern Girls are Korean flappers who embrace overt sexuality and consumerism, dashing off for a weekend party in Taiwan.

    However, just like the Jazz Age had a crazed edge of desperation because of our culture’s disturbing realization that Darwin’s theory of evolution challenged the basic tenants of Christianity, Korean pop culture seems to have some of that same hollow fear. Koreans have also recently been rent from their traditional, rural customs and beliefs, leaving them a space to fill with cold, efficient technology. I wonder how they will reconcile their past with their future?

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    It is hard to resist my Barstow friends' invitation to go to Korea town after today's lecture. We had Korean BBQ ribs, hot tofu soup with raw egg, and all kinds of Korean kimchi and delicacies. Yes, that was really good. Thank you, Mary, for driving.

    I love Professor Jung Kim's top 10 presentation. It was very entertaining and yet full of information. Korean pop culture is indeed very powerful. I was born and raised in Korea. I still keep in touch with my old friends. Some of them moved to Taiwan. According to one of my friend, he complained on the website, "When I get home from work, I see my wife was watching Korean soap opera. She did not even bother to look at me. She ordered me to get something from the refrigerator. She glued to TV for the last two hours and she planed to watch another three for the next three hours (a different soap opera for each hour) . Yes, my marriage is in danger because I became a Korean Soap Opera widow!" He was joking, but Korean pop culture indeed is a very powerful trend in East Asia. Korean soap operas are carefully translated and dubbed into Chinese. Many people, including myself, were drawn into them. Many Chinese started to buy Korean furniture such as short tables that were meant to have people sat directly on the floor, cook Korean cuisine, and adopt their way of life. Another friend told me that when he visited his mom, his mom's whole eating utensils all became Korean style. I guess that was a good example of illustration of "Hallyu" or "Hanliu (韩流)“by Professor Jung Kim. [Edit by="vchiu on Aug 6, 11:13:55 PM"][/Edit]

    #30578
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    After walking and talking to several people we found Koreatown, or at least I think we did. Sorry Prof. Dube, it is more than a few/five blocks from USC campus. It is more like on Whilshire and Western. Nevertheless, we walked and walked and found this authentic Korean resturant called SKY J K, 730 S. Western Ave. #101, LA, CA 90005, (213) 386-6688. Anyway the food was good but what made the experience a good one was that the owner and the waitress were gracious and very attentive showing us the food as we ate. He was informative about what we were eating. He came back to check to make sure we were pleased with our meal. He even offered to be our tour guide in Korea if we would go. He answered all of Laura's questions; she was full of them. Sometimes, experiencing outside the classroom is also educational. If anyone is interested in eating there it's pretty good. We had a great time, it was nice having V go with us. It was a short get to know each other. Hope you all have enjoyed this seminar as much as I have.

    #30579
    Anonymous
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    Korean pop culture is apparently permeating into so many other countries. Prof. Jun-Kim's presentation of it was so helpful in cementing ideas about the Korean culture in general. The Rain excerpts, although not based on empirical research, was very exciting on a student level. I have several Korean students who I'm certain will be quite impressed with my knowledge of him.

    A compilation of popular dancing videos from various countries would be an amazing way to show students that "it's a small world after all" (sorry!) I've had great success with my EL students with a favorite song assignment. They each bring their favorite primary language song to share with the class, we listen to it, and then discuss what we found similar with other shared songs. They all enjoyed each other's music because, while the language was different, the beat was the same and they could move to it. It works as a great community building strategy. [Edit by="lculp on Aug 7, 12:45:30 AM"][/Edit]
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    #30580
    Anonymous
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    Let's go to Korea; that is South Korea.

    Kelly, I agree with you. When I started to watch the video on tourism I was impressed with how beautiful Korea is and how nice it would be to visit. It seems that Koreans are very nice and hard-working people. When I was growing up in Watts I first came in contact with Koreans. I remember Mr. & Mrs. Kim, or as they were kindly known as mamasan and papasan by the community people. They were so nice with everyone and oftentimes gave breaks to those who couldn't afford to pay for milk or eggs. Yeah, I got a couple of pieces of gum.

    I was surprised to learn that Korean women had power back then and that they continue to have it now.

    Maria =:O

    #30581
    Anonymous
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    I thought Professor Jung-Kim's top-ten list was excellent. I think as a teacher that those types of things work well for any age group. Also, I thought the dance-off between Rain and Colbert was second to none and I would love to visit Korea sooner than later too. Before this seminar I did not even think of Korea. Now, I think of it often and consider it in relation to China and Korea, rather than it being "a little mini-country with no great place in history or the world". The previous quotes are my previous ignorance that I try to hide. Anyway, I though Professor Jung-Kim provided us a wealth of information about many subjects that pertain to Korea. I thought the insight regarding marriage and gender roles in Korea was particularly interesting.

    #30582
    Anonymous
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    Hi Matthew,

    I also found the rental agreements in Korea quite interesting. I was mentioning this to my husband and he thought it was a good deal.

    Here is an excerpt from the following website: http://http://www.justlanded.com/english/South-Korea/Tools/Just-Landed-Guide/Housing-Rentals/Rental-agreements

    Type of Contracts

    There are two main kinds of contracts in South Korea:
    "jeonsei" and "wolsei"

    A “ jeonsei” contract means “paid in full” which requires that the tenant pays a specified sum of money to the owner or landlord (usually 30-80% of the cost to rent the property). Two-thirds of all housing in Korea is managed under the jeonsei system.

    When using a jeonsei contract, the tenant is exempt from paying monthly rental fees for the length of the contract. Also, assuming there are no damages to the property being leased, the deposit from a jeonsei contract should be returned at the end of the lease period.

    In the case of a “wolsei” contract, the tenant is not responsible for a large or, sometimes, any down payment but instead pays a monthly fee to the owner.

    There is also another option to combine the two contracts so the tenant can pay a large sum upfront and make small monthly payments. However, tenants who sign for a shorter period of time will most likely be required to pay everything upfront.

    If you wish to renew your contract (most likely a two-year-contract) at the end of your rental period, you must first get the consent of the landlord. The landlord may increase the cost of rent at the time of renewal, which is legal and acceptable.

    I hope this answered your question.
    Maria

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