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  • #6247
    clay dube
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    For session #9, we'll wrap up on discussion of the 19th century. You folks did a great job discussing self-strengthening, reform, and rebellion. I'll highlight a few more points and then it's on to the 1911 Revolution and the Republican period (1912-1949). 

    Four of the readings for this period are in the list for session #8 (http://china.usc.edu/k12/forums/usc-fall-2017-rise-east-asia/session-8-readings-dube-1016)

    Some of the attached readings are also available on the web:

    Mao, 1927 report on the Peasant Movement: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_2.htm

    Mao, 1940 on New Democracy: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_26.htm

    One mandatory reading not attached, but available on line concerns the New Life Movement: http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/ps/cup/chiang_kaishek_new_life.pdf

    A lesson plan created in the NCTA program in Indiana on Lu Xun's "Madman's Diary": http://www.iu.edu/~easc/outreach/educators/literature/workshops/documents/NatashaBruntonNCTALessonPlan_091913.pdf

    A pdf download of "Madman's Diary": https://eng105worldliterature.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/lu-xun-diary-of-a-mad-man-1918.pdf

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    #38363
    Rick Steil
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    We finally make it to the 20th century and the cartoon about America in 1941 is a direct perspective on how Japan viewed America. Japan through these cartoons shows America as this bigger than life character that is motivated by greed. We see this in the larger than life illustrations of President Roosevelt with sacks of money. Japan tries to show America as this greedy nation that needs to be contained by the Japanese for the better of the world. We also see the Japanese showing themselves as slaves or workers for America and being put to manual labor. This is meant to upset their people and have them rally around the move to contain America through military action.

    #38368
    Aja Koester
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    During Professor Dube’s lecture on China from 1800- 1950, he asked the question “Can we change the past?”

    The answer is of course no, but what we can change is the perception of the past. He then discussed the 3 reasons for why the stories from history are often revised.

    1)    New data causes revision to history

    2)    New people (new generations, different cultures) asking about the past cause people to rethink history

    3)    New questions being asked cause a deeper look into history (i.e. Were there women at this time period? What about the poor during this time? Etc.)

    This could be an interesting lesson with students on how we understand/ tell history. If I think all the way back to Dube’s first lecture, we looked at 2 different versions of maps in textbooks from a Japanese perspective versus Korean perspective that wanted to claim the East Sea or Sea of Japan. This may be an example of how history can be “revised” depending on the story that is told. This question about changing the past may also be interesting in introducing the meaning of historical revisionism before then looking at an unorthodox version of an historical event.

    #38370
    Kimberly Jones
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    My card displays two soldiers embracing in a brotherly handshake and happy smile. One soldier is from China and the other soldier is from Saudi Arabia, representing military unity among the two nations. The card is propagandizing the agenda that the Chinese and Arab people are strong allies and therfore are a powerful force in the world.

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    #38375
    Chris Hertzog
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    Good question on who invented gun powder and who had invented the cannon.  The old one about the Chinese inventing gunpowder for religious ceremony and the Europeans finally making it into the killing machine we all have today has been thrown out there for some time and even shows up still, someone is still promoting this storyline.

    Recent historical articles and discussion has a bit more of a complex story.  Like Clay said, the Song and the Tang were using cannons and gunpowder in battle and then it traveled along the Silk Roads, made it into the Islamic Abbasid Empire and used by Muslim armies in Spain and at Constantinople and of course very successfully by the Mongols.

    Finally it makes it into Euorpe and is used by a Swiss army attacking an Italian town, and soon every European kingdom wants it.  What recent research has pointed out is that the European development was tied to the church bell bronze casting industry that was already going and the access to coal and copper mines that allowed them to further the casting of bronze cannons.  So bell makers quickly became cannon makers.  Not sure how superior that is, but for a long time it was the story that the Europeans took what the Chinese had no idea about and made it useful.

     http://www.themcs.org/weaponry/cannon/cannon.htm

    This is a great discussion to have with our students.  Who gets to write this history?  Who gets to say who is superior?  And why is weapons technology equated with cultural superiority?

    #38376
    Evelyn Mendoza
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    I found it extremely interesting that foreign companies sent, and continue to send, company employees to China in order to market to them more effectively. Chinese families were being studied by these foreigners and in some instances, by Japan, were incentivized to marry a Chinese citizen! This was done in hopes of understanding the Chinese population more clearly and make advertising much more targeted. The extent to which some companies, and countries, in general, are willing to go to understand other societies is extremely important to be aware of. In my experience, students don’t realize that they are constantly being monitored and that data is constantly being collected about them. This data is used by companies to predict trends, to determine the effectiveness of advertising, etc… Teaching students about the history of data collection, and why data collection about Chinese Society was especially rewarding, could be a great lesson and a great wake-up call. 

    #38377
    Evelyn Mendoza
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    The two Chinese leaders, on opposite idealogical sides, Sun Yatsen and Kang Youwei, spent a lot of their time outside of China trying to build support for their ideas for China’s future. Both were mobilizing and raising money. Sun Yatsen wanted an all-out revolution, whereas Kang Youwei wanted more conservative reform. This was a good strategy because attempting to do this within China was extremely dangerous, a life and death threat, in fact. Additionally, by taking the effort outside of China, Sun Yatsen was able to gain support from Americans, who saw Japan’s growth as a good model for China, but also as a threat to the United States. Homer Lea was one of the supporters of Sun Yatsen’s Revolution and helped mobilize Chinese-American soldiers to support the Revolution, all of this was taking place in Los Angeles, on Sunset Blvd, no less! I think students would find this very interesting to learn about, especially because this brings the Chinese Revolution home. 

    #38378
    Rick Steil
    Spectator

    Professor Dube brings us into the 20th century in China and we see the relationship between China and America. We are told that Sun Yat-sen helps overthrow the Manchurians and is considered the founder of the republic and is considered the George Washington of China. He is not the founder of China but he sets in motion the movement of the Republic. He does not set in motion Marxism but makes it possible for Mao to come in and finish what he has stated. He is a rebellion leader and gets the rebellion started as he is in America raising money to help finance the rebellion. It is interesting that this important movement is being financed in part by America but Sun Yat-sen is not even present when this uprising starts. It was especially interesting that they did not believe they could win but felt the need to proceed with what they felt was necessary. This is a great example to show students because the odds are stacked against you sometimes you need to proceed anyway if you believe in your cause.

    #38380
    Lesly Gonzalez
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    Here, Mao clearly and simply states the dual goal of the Communist Revolution, to create a new society and new state for the Chinese nation. The way Mao explains it, this requires a new China culturally, politically, and economically.

    I personally enjoyed how Mao gave so much information in so few words. He references the events and ideas that we've covered in this seminar (e.g., defining the role of the imperial family post-1842 and foreign hegemony).

    He also defines China in a way that is clear, feudal, colonial, semi-feudal, and semi-colonial.

    #38383
    Cindy Nguyen
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    During second semester, I usually have the students analyze political proganda in forms of cartoons, newspapers, and advertisement.  To scaffold the lesson, I would introduce terms like: bandwagon, loaded words, testimonials, and etc. to help students have an idea what are the different types of propaganda that are used.  After students have a handle on the subject matter I would break the students into groups (depending size but usually 4 students) and have them analyze the political cartoons.  Each group will have a different propaganda and will present their findings to class once they are done with analysis worksheet.  I was thinking I can introduce propaganda even earlier since now I've resources for the imperialism in China.  This will give students an opportunity to critically think about how the use of media can influence/change a person's perspective on that matter. (they can also relate it today's use of social media)

    #38387
    Eric Hoh
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    I can see this topic of discussion expanding further into the issue/reality of students being constantly data-mined through their internet usage. In addition to this, any institution of credit or app often asks to access certain personal information that can be attained and shared to other 3rd parties. The Chinese government is notorious for it's impressive ability to censor the internet content from Chinese citizens. My personal experience and time in China has shown me that even a VPN connection is slow and frustrating. 

     

    This topic could be a good segway into a discussion or analysis of ways in which other governments have often raised public concern in the infringement of individual rights and freedoms/privacy (ie Big Ben, Patriot Act, etc). I ultimately imagine that this topic could lead students to project what the future for them might look like based on the actions and responses of people around the world historically. Will there be a push towards more government intervention with the wild-west that is the world wide web? 

    #38389
    Nira Sun
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    There was an image showed in class by Prof. Dube of Sun, Yat-sen gathered with people in front of a portrait and two flags. The background of that photo was when Sun founded the Republic of China in Jan 1st, 1912, he went and visited the Mingxiao Tomb of Ming Dynasty. With that said, I'm going to take a guess that the portrait behind Sun and his government officials is the founder of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang.

    Mostly believed theory behind this visit was that it represented the end of Manchu era and the revival of Han people since Ming Dyansty was the last empire dominated by Han people before it was taken over by the Manchu (Qing Dynasty). The new government of Republic of China was also inaugumented in Nanjing later on in the year of 1928. Sun meant to rebuild the Han power with western ideals but was unable to fullfill it due to no support / control over Beiyang Military and, later, his death in 1925. Further reaffirmation of this theory was the location of the Sun's Mausoleum which is right next to the Ming Tombs.

    #38390
    Cindy Nguyen
    Spectator

    The White Paper Excerpt: United States Position in China provides information about America's financial involvement in China prior to the communist take over.  This excerpt was written by Dean Acheson who was Secretary of State in 1949 and was considered a central figure in creating foreign policies for America.  Dean Acheson wrote about the destruction of the Nationalist Party due to their "regime without faith in itself and an army without morale" and the rise of a well-disciplined and patriotic Communist Party.  He deflects any blame for America and instead list the substantial amount of financial aid America provided for their ally which was still not enough for the Nationalist Party to maintain their power in China.  I would chunk the reading for my students and then review their findings as a class.  I would group the students into multiple groups with different parts of the reading and then have the groups with the same excerpt to come together to share their findings with each other.  This gives students an opportunity to share their ideas and maybe form new ones.  After this is done, the class will gather back together and have a class discussion about each of the chunks and hopefully be able to piece the parts back into one.

    #38391
    Jane Shen
    Spectator

    From today's reading, I found the cartoons in 1941's Central Daily News describes vividly the transitions of the world dominated power among three countries : Russia, British, and Ameica.

    The Central Daily News as the personal organ of the Nanjing regime-Wang Ching-Wei were widely circulated in the International Settlement. It could be cosidered as the Chinese official view of the current political issues back then,.

    The cartoon reciewed the battle to be the " world domination" between Roosevelt and fatigued Churchill, reflected the rising power of Ameican vs the eshausted British to defend their position. And on the other cartoon, it revealed that Roosevelt ( USA) had Joseph Stalin ( Russia) as his customer in a munitions shop while Churchill was departing in the distance.

    In the third cartoon, we can see that Churchill ( British) and Stalin ( Russia)  were aruging about which one is to attampt to halt teh Nazi Juggernaut.

    These three cartoons reveals that during the early 40s, the world power transformation from British to Americ, the beginning of the corporation betwen US and Russia and the breaking up between Russia and British.

    Even though China was not in the carton, but since the newspaper was distributed in China, we can tell that Chinese was sensitive at the power shift. 

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    #38393
    Eric Hoh
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    I often consider the question of "who gets to write the history" as the historian's equivalent question of "which came first; the chicken or the egg?" I am a firm believer that digging into who wrote a history is a necessary skill and lens that each student must develop in order to determine the validity of a historical source. As we all know, the victors often write the books. Too long has K-12 history education been painted in this color. It is high time that people (beginning and/or continuing with this generation of students) start to see history in a more nuanced and balanced perspective. Any history that is cut off from context and lacking in a diversity of voices is an incomplete history. With that little tangent in mind, I think that asking "why weapons technology is equated with cultural superiority" is a pertinent and important question. 

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