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Acturally, we are very lucky to have a Chinese American Professor lecturing on Chinese history and literature comparing to discover the myth and greatness of Chinese tradition and culture with thousands of years long and great impact on modern civilization and economy.The info. about the Chinese territory, the climate, popullation, ethic division, economy GDP just demonstrated his thorough research on variety of existing issues. He distingushed the Pinyin and Wade-Gile Romanization System to give us clear pictures of the differencecs between Chinese characters and alphabets system. He also indicated the Digression, the three -stage developments of Chinese civilizations with the major contributions, silk road. printing, and achievements in governing the society, and their attitude towards outsiders.Then, he compared China's "Middle Agse" with the European " Middle Ages" clarifying the religious belief, Budhism and other religions. I really enjoyed the way his chanting W. B.Yeats' poema and Du Pu's poems.I am planning to integrate all concepts about the Chinese philosophers into my lessons and let my studnets really walk into my world. Of course, I have already introduced Chinese Calligraphy into my classroom, and my students understood the difference of the writing in Chinese and English. They felt that the writing is so difficult, but I still have a couple of students are relly very talented.
Dr. Ye's seminar was very insightful on many levels. First, in trying to make a connection between the archeological findings that have been made in Sichuan, and how they coincidentally align with civilizations of the Maya, Babylonians and Egyptian Pharos. I found it interesting how he just placed introduced this factoid before going deep into his lecture. I also enjoyed how he used the arts to talk about history throughout China and how that might shed light into how people lived in the past. The extensive contact that Tang Dynasty had with the world is still something that I am beginning to appreciate especially after he mentioned how Qing Emperor Kangxi commissioned a collection of poems from Tang times, which contains 49,000 poems. When he pointed out how these poems could be broken down into four sections, and that to the trained person simply reading a poem would tell the reader during what period it was written was fascinating, taking into account the changing cultural norms of the time and the continual merging of Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism into everyday life.
What I found to be the most valuable was the use of how language was used in the past or at least its intended method of using it while reading say a piece of poetry. His observation and comment on encouraging people to read traditional poetry not in the standard Mandarin form but in the local dialect was key to his overall message. One can gather that just like Spanish in Spain and Spanish in the Americas is fluid and have been influenced by different regional languages and neighboring dialects so too have the languages in China. It gives you a greater appreciation of language but also gives you a clear distinction that when you think of "China" or "Zhongguo" you cannot think of it as a place with one type of weather, one type of diet, one time of life and one type of standardized language.
This is a type of discussion that at times I have with students, especially regarding the reading of primary source texts from the 1700s, when the language in the US was a bit different than what it is now. So, how to integrate this message into the classroom? Well, when teaching about China we must be conscious to point out how diverse the country is and the different dialects that exist even within the larger ethnic groups, and maybe compare that with regional differences between New York, Texas and California English. Simple little things, like superimposing a map of the US with a map of China, and looking at the different weather patterns in the US and China can make learning a bit more enlightening to the students. Making them think of even the different types of deserts that we have here in LA County and the diversity of that can give students a better chance to have a more nuanced view of Chinese history.
Finally, what the Qing Emperor thought was the solution to ruling their newly acquired empire made sense to out Chinese the Chinese. I get the impression that by this time they might have been so familiar with their neighbor and had had so much contact with each other that adopting some administrative practices and even language was easier for them. Maybe the Qing was more open than the Mongols in this respect. However, it brings up a question that seems to linger. If kingdoms in Korea existed during this time, and they had incorporated some Confucian ideologies as well as Buddhist beliefs how different were their neighbors to the north? What about Japan during those times, how was their process of acculturation?
Dr. Yang Ye expressed his concern about China and what happened recently about the presidential long-term rule. Yes, with the path now apparently cleared in China that president Xi Jinping wanted to continue in office past 2023 as officials. This scraps the two-term limit rule, and questions about how the change will affect the economy, foreign investment and political power there abound.
Some experts abroad expressed their options that there are too much power for one person, unexpected timing, and a plateful of challenges to China even to the world.
Also, Xi’s new mandate could allow him to better meet a long-standing Chinese goal of becoming a more socialist society modeled on northern Europe, and it could give Xi more time to see through important longer-term projects like the “ one belt, One Road initiative”- the country’s plan for a new silk road trade route from China to Europe. Or, it could ultimately be a setback for democratic rule, particularly as it applies to limits on institutions, while enhancing a growing tendency to expand the “ surveillance state” some experts said.
In my classroom we will talk about what are the differences between Chinese election and USA election.
Comparing the two system would allow students understand Chinese society and culture better.
Sources:K@W
The Silk Road was an ancient network of trade route that were for centuries central to cultural interaction originally through regions of Eurasia connecting the East and West and stretching from the Korean Peninsula and Japan to the Mediterranean Sea.
The ancient Silk Road contributed greatly to the cultural exchange between China and the West. From the second century BC to the fifteenth century AD, splendid civilizations among China, India, Greece, Persia and Rome were exchanged along this famous trade route, making the route a great "Cultural Bridge" between Asia and Europe.
“Is the silk Road an example of globalization? ” will be a good topic that I can teach in my class. Students will analyze exchanges along the Silk Road. Also, students will argue and defend opinions on whether or not the Silk Road is an example of globalization and whether it is properly named.
Sources: Wiki/ Travel china guide
I came across a report on PBS about the current situation in China that connects to some of the issues discussed in session one. The report discussed China's rising economy, up to the 2nd largest in the world, and its relationship to the Chinese people's rising expectations. China's evolution to a global economy has led to rising lifestyle expectations and these rising expectations fuel China's economic boom. As I listened to the report, I picked up on some of the cultural and social implications of this evolution. According to the report, modern China has emerged from a dark time in history under Mao Zedong's leadership as a modern booming economy. As a result of this economic growth, the Chinese are improving their lifestyle and benefitting monetarily. People are rising to a new middle class but as they rise, with this upward mobility, come challenges with social and cultural implications. One challenge is that people are not able to afford property as property prices soar. As prices in real estate rise and young men are unable to buy property, they are less likely to find a spouse as Chinese women prefer to marry men with property and a stable financial standing. In this new and competitive environment, both men and women look for financial security among the increasing uncertainty and pressures related to their future prospects. In this new era in China, there is not only competition for property but for spouses and jobs, too. If people do not marry, this will contribute to the increasing low birthrates. It remains to be seen how Communist China will respond to this social instability.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the poetry from these readings. I look forward to Monday’s night lecture with Professor Ye, as Mr. Dube has mentioned that in Mondays lecture Professor Ye will be talking about poetry, art, textiles, and various other art forms. I like and enjoy the art that is why I am looking forward to the session.
In the poetry I read it sounds as if the writer is so knowledge about ball aspects of life. The author describes how he may feel or feels. He writes so well that one can feel his emotions, his pain, his insights, his fear, his pleasure/s. That is a sign of a good writer. The author also writes of nature and it creatures that live within. The different animals and also how they might feel. I could tech my students about poetry and how to write it, but first I must learn how to do it myself.
In the reading titled,”Buddhism, Aristocracy and Alien Rulers: The Age of Division 220-589, while this article was interesting and it laid out the information about how Buddhism came about and how the many people decided to try it and adhered to it. In the article where it talked about how all the land was owned by the state according to The Wei System. There was one statement in this section of the article that struck me. The statement is and holds so much truth to it and relies on fairness, and that is/was, *“That no land lies neglected, that no people wander off, that powerful families shall not monopolize the fertile fields, and that humble people would also get their share of the land”. I totally agree with this statement, as it just goes to show that all people should be treated fairly, and without any bigotry of any form. We are all equal, but granted that in those times, life was different, because back then they had their rulers and emperors and if the commoners did not listen and obey them, there would be severs punishments. Of course nowadays the same rules apply, if we don’t listen and obey the rules, but now, people are sent to jail, where they still get to be fed, and sleep in bunks, (Maybe not the best rest), but at least they are not out in the cold. Back then the punishments were severe, like execution/death, or the taking of one’s’ family and made to become slaves.
I could use this reading to tech my students, the ideals of how to be fair and just. Not to take advantage of others. Not be a bully, and overall how to be a good person.
*The Cambridge Illustrated History of China
Mr. Clayton Dube was correct when he said that this lecture was going to be fun. It thoroughly was fun, not only was it informative with all the details of how there was 3 different stages, and what happened in them. For instance I during the 2nd stage, the Qin Empire the emperor imposed uniformity of currency, weights and measures, and also the three teachings, Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism, evolved more or rather were practiced more.
The whole lecture was informative but I really liked and enjoyed the part where Professor Ye, sang his tunes and told us of how chanting began. That chanting comes from the French, that chanting is a form of poetry. Gregorian chant is a Catholic chant. Professor Ye told us the difference between singing and chanting, and professor Ye demonstrated it, he modeled it for us and that is what a good teacher does for the students, they model, and explain. Professor Ye mentioned that Walt Whitman, (an American poet) is a man who chants his poems, as Y.B.Yeats, (an Irish poet), and Vachel Lindsay, (American poet), to name a few.
As I mentioned earlier yes this was an important and informative session, but what drew my attention more was the part of the chanting and poetry, the singing/chanting of the professor and the names of famous people that chant. So I am say to not mention more of the session’s information, the poetry part is what stood out for me and it still does.
I thoroughly enjoyed Professor Ye's lecture on the three stages of Chinese history. I learned about the three stages , but I also learned how written poetry was an important part of China's cultural development in Chinese literature. I especially enjoyed learning about the practice of chanting. I learned that chanting is oral poetry organized rhythmically by both the internal rhythms of language and the external rhythyms of music. In addition, Professor Ye explained how the Chinese language has four different tones. My favorite part of the lecture was listening to Professor Ye chant poetry. It was evident through his lecture and his chanting that he had a passion for Chinese literature and poetry.
Something Professor Ye touched on early on was the difference between philosophy and history. Philosophy embodies truth and history accepts truth was how he describes it as he went into a discussion on how translation and poetry appear to be more philosophical remnants of this time period rather than historical ones - ones that must be left up to interpretation. The Peach Blossom Spring is a poem that Professor Ye touched on as the ideal outcome during the time of conflict in the formation of the Qin Dynasty, but the potem is left up to several different interpretations. It depicts a visitor who visits China through a narrow path only to find a utopia in Beijing that has been cut away from the world. The visitor stays and then leaves to show their ways to the others. It definitely leaves up to interpretation what conflicting philosophy reigned supreme in the debate of salt and iron.
As Professor Ye describes, “Life is Miserable. Life is Miserable because of Desire. Put an End to Misery by Destroying Desire.” This simply put if the foundation to one of the first religions he mentioned, Buddhism. He went onto describe the 8 Fold Path to seek Nirvana, as well as some of the denominations that began to form in Buddhism through Mahayana (Mission) and Hinayama (Self-Cultivation). The most interesting part I found in this was when Professor Ye describe how increasingly commercialized Buddhism became and how incredibly commercialized it is today - to the extent that you even need to pay to go to temple. There are definitely facets of this in other religions, but Professor Ye went on to compare that you can freely walk into churches around here and that’s not the case with Buddhist temples in China. It almost reminds me of the Vatican, which requires payment to see parts of the area including the Vatican Gardens and Sistine Chapel. Where there is desire, there is opportunity for profit. But in a religion that is meant to destroy desire, this certainly becomes a paradox.
I’m always blown away when people approach their craft with passion and this was very much the case with Professor Ye and poetry. Something that Professor Ye discussed extensively was the structure that poems follow. Mandarin poems generally followed 4 turns and cantonese poems generally followed 9 turns. Elements such as antitheses, heptasyllabic phrasing and rhyming were common in these poems (but not always necessary). Professor Ye went on to say that the couplets of a poem are structured like a human - each with a head, chin, neck and tail. The head opens the poem and the chin continues this variation. This allows for the neck to approach something deeper and the tail to present a “picture of the poet.” I found his descriptions so enticing as well as some of the ideas he shared - poetry being that which is lost in translation as well as it being for your ears and not necessarily your eyes. It’s certainly an art form that I would like to look more into given this exposure.
Reading the writings of Wang Wei was in a way like a hike through the woods. His writings are imbued with many images of nature; heron, ducks, egrets, trees, and mountains. As I read his pieces I couldn't help but think that a comparison between him and Henry David Thoreau might be good. Comparing the life of a poet/writer living in the woods. Though I was quite impressed with Wang Wei's ability to convey in nature a sense of merging with the natural world as opposed to the civilized world which is deemed "natural" or normal. You get the feeling that you are there by the descriptions where mountains are humid, leaves are wet or one can sense the solitude when a gate is opened which pushes aside the moss that has grown on the ground. A particular piece that stood out was The Cove of the Wall of Meng where he says that his home is among the old trees and how he differentiates his existence and life and that of the future poet or person seeking solitude. He states,
My new house
is at the beginning of the wall of Meng,
Among old trees
and remains of decaying willows.
The other, after me,
who will be?
Vain his grief
for this which is mine.
Incorporating this into a lesson could be tricky, but is a great opportunity for students to take a glimpse in to life outside of the urban centers and villages. One can use passages of Wang Wei and have students compare them to accounts of life in Chang'an. How did scholars in the cities live as opposed to those holed up in the mountains? A question that could be asked to students is how easy is it to move to the mountains and live there for several years? How is able to do that nowadays? Were people like Wang Wei vagrants that simply decided to seek solitude or were they well off?
Reading these two poets and how they conveyed the complexity of war and the vastness of the Tang Empire is quite astonishing. One need not read a long detailed history of the Tang to capture its essence in Li Bai's Fighting South in the Ramparts. In the western frontiers there are horses feeding on pastures shadowed by the Tian Shan, battles are fought at sea and at the mouth of rivers where swords are cleaned after skirmishes. Beyond the Great Wall there are wave after wave of armies coming, and the towers are always lit signaling perpetual war. Li Po gives us insight in to the other side of the great Tang Dynasty and how it became great, on the shoulders of those that never made it into the history books, the poor. Wars being fought in the east, north and west of the empire. Wars have been fought for so long that armies are turning old and grey, which seems to be more like a metaphor, meaning that they've been there so long that it’s just normal to send people to war.
Next we have Du Fu's Recruiting Officer at Shih-hao Village and A Song of War Chariots, where he just lets us see how people were affect by war and the human costs levied at those without much power. In the first piece Du Fu simply writes brief lines that are like vignettes in the life of a mother who's lost all her sons to war, and now is about to see her grandson be taken, and all she can do is offer the soldiers a meal for the next day. His second piece he tells us how the life for a common man or servant could easily have been to fight with the armies at a young age and end up working the fields for the army at an older age. Yet he also points out how at the border, with no specific location, just the border, the frontiers of the Tang Empire "the blood of men spills like the sea." He ends this piece with saying, "we have learned that to have a son is bad luck- It is much better to have a daughter" which allows us to infer that too many men were being used for war and women were picking up the slack in the villages, to the point where it seems like it’s better to have a daughters instead of sons, which could suggest a critique on Confucian ideals.
These two poets and the pieces discussed above can be excellent readings for students in middle school. The history books simply shed light in to the Tang's achievements and how their influence expanded, and though wars are mentioned it is not described with as much detail as Li Bai and Du Fu are able give. These poets can be introduced to students after they have read through much of the section on the Tang, and have a general understanding of the Silk Road, and the influences in had in Korea, Japan and Southeast Asia, along with the western reaches of its empire. Open ended questions can be given to students, like how was Tang able to spread its culture to some many places during this time? Then students can be given copies of Li Bai and Du Fu where they list the times that war is mentioned or death or any time of feeling or image that is seen as negative. From there students can be given written assignments where they use the information that they gathered and go back and answer the same question again. A general discussion can be had with the class on the cost of civilization, and culture. Though the Tang dynasty expand and it did flourish there was a cost, and this will allow students to have a greater appreciation of not only Chinese history but in history and life in general. There is a price to be paid for having peace at home, we might not see war at our door steps, though some students might on a daily basis, but it’s there, somewhere.
Professor Yang Ye's Lecture was quite enjoyable and piqued my curiosity on topics such as the archeological connection between ancient civilizations from Persia and The Americas that weren't actually in touch with each other. I also like his deeper explanation on the silk road and the immense trade integration it generated. I can see myself using set texts about the silk road the modern global trade routes for my students to analyze and compare-contrast. I think my students would be quite interested in learning about global trade and their origins. The literary part of the lecture was quite enjoyable and showed Professor Ye's love and devotion to poetry. It was quite refreshing hearing new rhythmic, melody and musical patterns. It was quite interesting and refreshing. This is something that already piqued my curiosity in the readings. Espcifically the Four Poems on Wine, as wine was something I wasn't associating to Chinese culture at all. Those poems were very interesting to read and portray a great use of imagery (mooon, flowers, sky, shadows, fountain, mirrors, Yellow River, etc...)