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  • #6553
    cgao
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    Clay will be wrapping up his lecture on Early Chinese Dynasties. Please refer to the readings from the earlier sessions. You can post comments on the session here. 

    #39151
    Tanish Fortson
    Spectator

    Lucy Hornb is deputy bureau chief for the Financial Times in Beijing. Lucy is American and grew up in New Jersey and graduated from Princeton University and moved to China in 1995. She speaks Mandarin, French and Spanish and spoke with the seminar about pollution in China. China has launched a fight against pollution. Their food and air has become a serious problem because food is contaminated and villagers are developing cancer at a seemingly higher rate. Lucy explained to us that sometimes the food industry maybe a little corrupt by making false claims because the food industry for example, on things such as organic food is not regulated. So they can say something is organic but pesticides were really used. Another example is from the article in the forum,  “Hairy Crab Scandal” in which crabs from elsewhere were bought to Lake Tai, which had, underwent a billion dollar clean up. Apparently some corrupt crab breeders were practicing something called bathing crabs. It is when crabs are put in Lake Tai so the breeders are pretending that the crabs come from Lake Tai. 

    #39161
    Christine Xu
    Spectator

    We used to talk about air pollution and water pollution during our 5th grade exhibition. Now China’s soil pollution would be a new a topic that students can discuss and share about ideas. 

    China is facing a real challenge to soil pollution according to Lucy Hornby. This is a big problem that people can not see, and can not complain about it. Soil pollution could cause a lot of problems, such as cancer, learning disabilities, infant death, deformities, food security problems, etc. 

    Some experts said that china’s urbanization is increasing the risk of soil pollution through waste disposal and acid deposition derived from urban air pollution. 

    In our “ Go Green “ project we also can compare China’s urbanization and America’s urbanization. And we will talk about how to solve soil pollution and how to Go Green.

     
    #39165
    Lin Kuang
    Spectator

    https://youtu.be/1AwoZIFIdTw

    https://youtu.be/Uti2niW2BRA

    Lucy H.'s presentation acutally reminds me of the previous PBLs we have done in our school related to enviornmental conserns and issues, Bottled Water and Fracking with thei severe consequences to the global warming. Our students voiced out to stop the pollutions and save our earth, and we sent very storng messages to the public. Students actually researched and found out the effects of global warming, scuh as sea level rising, climate changes, and severe diseases. When I watched the presention from Lucy H. reflecting on the results of Chinese fast growing economy and industry which reminded me of the severe issues we dealth with in Los Angeles in early 20 century. It' s horrible to see they built schools and THeme parks above the polluted lands without letting the people know the truth of the hidden danger. I really hope Lucy H's great reserach would cathch Chinese government and the environmentalists to take immediate actions to stop the pollutions. Even though they have done some, with more people inviled in the process actually will help prevent futher polluting the air, water, and soil.

    #39166
    Lin Kuang
    Spectator

    Hi Christine,

    Your GO- GREEN concept acually feeds our idealology. "Green is a way of life, not just a color" from which our school name came from  Green Design with its envrionmental goals amd mission. My best friend, Dr. Pride actually was the first one to raise up the issues in 2014. He always reminded us "GO GREEN" without papers. His office was super GREEN and shinny without any papers, and all his intructional ideals and concepts resched to his faculty completely online. Interestingly to mention he always sent us all greens and healthy stuff through online forum, which helped us stay physically and mentally GREEN.

    #39174
    Lin Kuang
    Spectator

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/american-companies-in-china-shouldnt-fear-tariffs-they-should-fear-a-boycott/2018/04/10/6ec85fe0-3c35-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.94fc6b500964

    I just read this articlie from The Washington Post this morning on Facebook. What should American companies fear, tarrifs or boycott? I really think the later should be our serious concern since they haven't already launched that before when Starbucks opened its store in the Forbidden City in 2007. When we looked at the trade deficit " in 2017, the United Stated exported $131 billion in goods to China, while importing $506 billion", from here we can easily undderstand that there's no much for us to win. Instead, we have to think of our services and companies in China. If Beijing persuaded customers to Boycott Starbucks again like they did to Japanese services and compabies years ago, it would be a disater for Starbucks company as they expect China to eventually be its largest market. 

    #39191
    Stella Castro
    Spectator

    While there were no readings prior to today’s session,(as Ms. Catherine stipulated in the forum) and to refer to the past readings for today’s session.  As always today’s session was quite interesting. First of all while I was still enthralled with the morning session  presenters, (Smba, Bill Blakies, and Ms. Hornby,  Mr. Dube did a good job as always, in giving us all pertinent information, pertaining to today’s topic/s, that being, “The Shunzhi Emperors”, and prior information on previous lectures. Today’s session continued about the Qing Dynasty, (I apologize if I did not spell it correctly). However, towards the end of the lecture Mr. Dube mentioned on the previous reading about “Emperor Qianlong: Letter to George III, 1793”, which I found this reading /letter to be such an interesting and great reading. I love this reading.

    I really enjoyed the emperors’ responses to the writer, (King George), as it all really made quite great sense once one analyzes the emperor’s responses. The emperor was not being mean or unreasonable, on the contrary, the emperor, was quite reasonable with his response to King George. The emperor was not retaliating back, but simply answering the questions with the facts that were to happen if the king went ahead with his intensions. To date this is one of the best readings I have read. I have read it a couple of times just so that I can enjoy the mockery of Emperor Qianlong, I feel of the emperor when I read this reading/letter. The enlightenment the emperor was reciprocating to King George.

    I reiterate, I love this reading. I think I will leave this reading in my coffee table, so that when company comes over, they can pick it up and read it and then we can have a good conversation about the reading.

     

    I can utilize this reading to teach my students about pleasantries towards one another,  of one’s alliances, and how to be just and fair to one another and each other.

    #39202
    Christine Xu
    Spectator

    The Manchu takeover did not dislocate Chinese cultural life in the same way the Mongol conquest had done, and their culture was much more elevated than that of Yuan Dynasty art.  The Manchus had been imitating Chinese ways for some time prior to their invasion, and their rulers, particularly Kangxi and Qianlong, were well-educated leaders who were keen to enlist the support of Chinese scholars. The Qianlong emperor ranks alongside Emperor Huizong from the era of Song dynasty art as the most culturally active of the Qings, assembling a collection of some 4,000 works of painting and calligraphy and listing them in successive editions of the Shiqubaoji.

    In general, Chinese painting under the Qings is characterized both by lavish decoration and orthodox academicism. The former was embodied by Yuan Jiang, whose style embraced the work of Guo Xi as well as the mannered expressionism of the late Ming period; and by Jiao Bingzhen, who applied Western perspective to his pen and ink drawing, which were often reproduced in the form of wood engravings. The more landscape painting was represented by scholar-artists like "The Four Wangs": Wang Shimin, Wang Jian, Wang Hui and Wang Yuanqi. These four together with Wu Li and Yun Shouping comprised the Six Masters of the early Qing period, followers of Dong Qichang's systematization of painting method, whose Shan Shui paintings are exemplified by Wang Jian's masterpiece White Clouds over Xiao and Xiang .

    In my lessons, we are going to play the video lesson China during Qing Dynasties. And students will do research about Qing Art. Then we are going to do a project that students will make/draw or print an art work to show Qing art ( group work). 

     

    Sources: visual-arts-cork.com

     
    #39207
    Percy Ortiz
    Spectator

    Professor Dube's lecture on the Qing Dynasty was refreshing and pointed out some facts that I had not seen in the past. He began his lecture by returning to queue and how that came to represent and to show loyalty to the Qing Emperor even if you were laying out train tracks in the middle of California's central valley or a petty merchant in the streets of Beijing. It was an expectation that extended throughout the realm and permeated all facets of society- completely fascinating. 

    Returning to his question a few weeks back, what made the Qing successful at ruling China as opposed to the Yuan. Prof. Dube went on to point out that the Qing accommodated people in its empire including all ethnicities to deal with its demographic realities- Muslims in Western China, Tibetans from the south, and Mongolians in the north and so on. The Qing also continued to uphold Confucian and Buddhist thought and its bureaucracy. It manage to continue ruling China through its Imperial Examinations, though they also tried to keep a distinct Manchu identity eventually disappeared in their pursuit of all things Chinese, poetry, literature and governing. Despite the fact that the Manchu's had almost doubled the size of China and had brought realms that were once frontiers the true beneficiaries to this expansion were the Han who were able to make inroads into these lands, as Prof Dube pointed out that at one point there are two Han suing each other in Manchuria and the judge chooses to highlight the fact. The cost of this social mobilization and embracing of Chinese culture eventually led to Sinification and a loss of resource mobilization. I was not aware that though the GuoMinDang moved to Taiwan, they still saw lands that had been conquered by the Qing; Outer Mongolia; as belonging to the Chinese Republic.

    The arts seemed to have flourished and have reached greater forms of sophistication with Qing rule. The Peking Opera developed and actors became national heroes. Along with the opera, traveling troupes managed to keep the populace entertained, along with sword swallowers. Handicraft production grew with the production of cotton and cotton textiles. This was due to agricultural land production having maxed out and peasants having to find other ways of making money, like becoming day laborers. It was at the peak of this cultural explosion and economic expansion that the Qing met its biggest foe to date- Britain.

    Taking a step back from Prof. Dube's lecture one needs to see that as the Qing having conquering new lands and bringing new realms into their rule there is also another country that has been doing the same and that was Britain. It had been colonizing the Eastern coast of North America for more than a hundred years now, and had the means to move people around to globe. So it seems that the Qing Dynasty is soon to plunge into a world where it is no longer the center of the earth, and though it will continue to see itself as that for a few more decades, England and its allies will go to war with China and eventually cause it to open its doors to trade.

    In middle school the Qing are not talked about much, and at the same time the history of England is mostly seen from the American point of view, meaning the colonialism that took place in the east coast of North America. The links that Britain had between Africa, India, South East Asia, China and other parts of the Americas in not really talked about. Which possess an interesting question, how much of the British Empire is really taught in schools? How did the British Empire affect the dynamics of the world once it came to dominate world affairs? From the point of view of Chinese history, Britain came to be the empire where it had seen itself one amongst many, and no longer as one above all.

    As a comparative study the British and Qing expansions around the world would be an interesting question to pose to students. Where were some disadvantages that the Qing might have had when it was confronted with a foe that refused to play by its rules? What do you when the rules of a game have to be changed to accommodate others? What if some refuse to be accommodating? I'm not sure if these questions are right to propose to students but I suppose that it is a starting point. I feel like the Qing Dynasty and China's history during this time is best suited as a comparative history with other rising power in the world. It is an opportunity for us to show case who different societies who have been leagues apart are not interacting with one another. In many ways it also appears that this aspect of Chinese history becomes more integrated with Europe and soon with North America. By the 1800's the Qing and the people of China were living in a world that was a bit different. The Qing's attempt to keep things as they had been in the last two centuries by simply collecting taxes and maintaining internal and external security would pose new problems when confronting the ever growing number of European nations that wanted to trade with China. On a side note, as Prof Dube points out, these factors were influenced by silver coming from the Americas, which furthermore points to the changing of trade trends and military challenges that the Qing faced.

     

    #39223
    Percy Ortiz
    Spectator

    The afternoon lecture given by Prof. Dube brought us all the way to the early 20th century. If one takes a step back and looks at the totality of the dynasties that held power, and all that the region produced one can be a bit overwhelmed. To say that I was in a bit of a daze after the lecture would be an understatement. The Qing created an anthology of the best poems written during the Tang, they expanded the territory to what it somewhat is today, and even the Taiwanese claimed those lands till a few years ago. The Peking Opera came to be, and cotton textiles came to be produced. As the territories expanded so might have the egos of the Emperors that saw the victories first hand or as they honored its armies with clanging bells and crashing cymbals as they returned from taming the frontiers. Yet, all this would slowly be put in jeopardy by the late 1700s with the Macarteny Mission sent by King George the Third. As the British Empire shrank in some areas and expanded in others the Qing faced a new reality. The ships coming from abroad were not from the local pirates, but came from long distances, and served another higher power- the British King. 

    Reading Emperor Qianlong: Letter to King George the Third reminded me of the epic battle between the Tang and Abbasid Empires in the Battle of Talas where these two major powers faced each other. Another example that comes to mind is the planned invasion of Timurlane on the Ming. He had thousands of soldiers, was already heading East, yet he fell ill and died, and the battles never took place. Fast forward four hundred years and another epic encounter begins to brew- that of the British and Qing Empires. 

    In his letter to King George the Third, Qianlong explains to him why an ambassador who is free to move where ever he wants is not possible. He also informs the king that spreading religious ideas amongst that populace was not going to be happening any time soon. Furthermore he informs King George that "our Celestial Empire possesses all things in prolific abundance and lacks no product within its own borders," which meant that China didn't need anything from abroad because they had it all. Towards the end of the letter it gets more interesting because the Emperor begins to call King George a barbarian from an island. Yet, how were the Qing to know that in the coming years they'd be forced to open up their ports to British ships and goods, and that Christian missionaries would be setting up Christian missions within China?

    Again, on the second part of the letter the Emperor states that the Qing was not going to be giving any land to any Barbarians to set up trade no matter if it was in a tiny deserted island. How must have King George reacted to such reply? A question that comes to mind is, did the Qing knew the extent of the British Empire and the lands it was colonizing? What could have King George been going through during this time being that it was a few years after the American Revolution? This document would be most appropriately used in a high school setting being that the world history that 10th graders study covers the 1700s to the present. On the other hand this document could be used in conjunction with Emperor Hongwu's letter to his people. It makes me curious to know if there might be other letters that Qianlong might have written to other delegations, and to the people that he ruled. As a comparative study of different Emperors these documents would be useful. However, from a middle school perspective I find it a bit difficult to fit into a curriculum that hardly touches on the Qing Dynasty. 

    Nonetheless, going back to the fact that it was during a time when the British had been at war with its former thirteen colonies. As a comparative study as to how different countries and territories around the world reacted to British rule this letter would be useful. Qianlong's reaction and comparing it to say the Declaration of Independence and how they contrast with each other would be something that could possibly be explored as a lesson. Though it might be a bit technical, I am sure that much insights could be gathered as to how we engage with one another as a people on this earth, with different powers vying for domination and hegemony. The colonist in the North America were rejecting British rule and wanted to cut off all trade her, and Qianlong is in many ways denying Britain the right to set up shop. Why? Was the Qing aware of what was going on in other places around the world? How extensive was their network of information? I have more questions than answers after reading this document.

    #39224
    Ronald Taw
    Spectator

    When Lucy Homb talked about how schools in China, (Beijing area) were trying to market to the parents by telling them the air quality and quality of food at their school....this makes me think about my first that I taught at.  This school was in South Central LA, where there are mostly industrial plants and factories.  Even though the school is fairly new, built in the 1990s, there was questions about the grounds that was built on.  Most parents, staff, and students did not care at the begining but after several years, there were very high profile case of cancer that took the lives of teachers....and people started to question the site school was built on.  

    We, as Americans, looked at China and critized the air and food quality ...but, just in Los Angeles, the air was unhealthy a few decades ago and food quality is still an issue both at school and at home.  May be these types of problem part of the growing pain of becoming developed country....

    #39227
    Christine Xu
    Spectator

    It is called Beijing Opera because it is formed in Beijing. Opera, which was very popular in northern China in the 18th century. In 1790, the first Anhui Opera performance was held in Beijing to celebrate the Emperor's birthday. Later, some other Anhui Opera troupes went on to perform in Beijing. 

    Beijing opera is one of the traditional spiritual Chinese operas. It is an art that converts a national spiritual essence through elegance and beauty. 

    Beijing Opera is one of the representatives of Chinese culture. The roles of Being opera are: Sheng, Dan, Jing, Mo, and Chou. The instruments for Beijing Opera are: Jinghu, Erhu, Yueqin, Pipa, Suona, and Chinese flutes. 

    In my class, we are going to learn Chinese culture through studying Being Opera. We will do a Beijing Opera show. Students will do presentations that the topics will include history, masks, costumes, roles, and instruments for Beijing opera. Students will perform Being opera at the final class for fun.

     

    Sources: wiki

    #39228
    Christine Xu
    Spectator

    Mei Lanfang, was one of the most famous Beijing Opera artists in modern Chinese theater. He was exclusively known for his female lead roles (dan) and particularly his “verdant-robed girls” (qingyi), young or middle-aged women of grace and refinement. He was considered one of the "Four Great Dan", along with Shang xiaoyun, Cheng Yanqqiu, and Xun Huisheng. 

    More than eighty years ago, Mei Lanfang introduced Beijing Opera to the outside world. He was the first artist to spread Beijing Opera to foreign countries, participating in cultural exchanges with Japan, the United States, and other regions. 

    When imperial Japanese army occupied Beijing, the commander of the Japanese army ordered Mei to perform for them and appointed to a high rank official position, but Mei refused to sing throughout the duration of the war and endured an impoverished lifestyle until the war ended in 1945.

    Some of his most famous roles are Bai Niangzi in Duanqiao ( “Broken Bridge”), Lin Daiyu in Daiyu Zanghua ( “Daiyu buries flowers”), Yuji in Bawang bieji (“Farewell My Concubine”), and Yang Yuhuan in Guifei zuijiu (“Concubine Gets Drunk”).

    In my class, we are going to do research about Mei Lanfang, and Beijing Opera. We are going to have a Beijing opera show. Students will perform different kind of roles during the show. 

     

     

    Sources: wiki/ britannica.com 

     
    #39232

    Over the last few weeks, I have gained a better understanding of Chinese History, and feel more prepared for teaching this history in my classes. Students are now reviewing for the AP World exam, and I am working in mini lectures and lessons to review China. We started with the Shang Dynasty, and are covering a little bit every day. One topic I see is left out of the curriculum is the variety of ethnic groups, cultures, and religions in China. The traditional history of the dynasties is a large portion of what is covered. However, I think I should include the stories of minorities in China so that students understand how diverse the country is. For example, the Wieger people in the Kashgar region near Pakistan. Students have learned about Islam, but this example will allow them to see the diversity within the religion. I think we can have a great discussion on China’s fear of Islamic fundamentalism, and whether reeducation centers are a solution or a fair treatment of the people. 

    #39234

    Lucy Hornby’s lecture was quite interesting. Her explanation about the types of pollution affecting modern China cities and rural areas was quite eye opening. I particularly enjoyed her deep analysis of the types of pollution, the images of factories and the analysis of soil pollution, a sometimes forgotten issue due to the fact that we can’t actually see soil pollution. I learned a lot more about the environmental dangers China and the U.S face today through her analysis of the war trade and explanation on what we are actually trading (pollution). I also found interesting the way some elite schools and theme parks located in polluted areas market their businesses. I can see a connection between these practices and the practices of many modern global companies putting profit before people and finding the loopholes to make this invisible to the population.

    It was a true honor learning about these current environmental issues that we all face globally from someone with the experience and leverage of Lucy Hornby. The data, images and real life explanations about these issues really helped me understand more about issues such as soil pollution, which was somewhat under my radar. It’d be nice hearing about the success of the measures the Chinese government is putting in place in order to deal with these issues in a decade or so from her own words too.

     

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