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    cgao
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    Sheila Melvin, Author of Rhapsody In Red- How Western Classical Music Became Chinese 
    Jindong Cai, Music Director and Conductor, Professor at Stanford University 

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    READINGS: download the PDFs below

    • Why Chinese people play Western classical music: Transcultural roots of music philosophy. Hao Huang, Scripps College
    • China and classical music: an extraordinary story of growth. Andrew Mellor, Gramophone April 29, 2019
    • After the Cultural Revolution: what western classical music means in China. Madeleine Thien, The Guardian July 2016
    • The Sound Of New Music Is Often Chinese; The Offspring Of a Grim Revolution. Sheila Melvin and Jindong Cai, April 1, 2001 The New York Times
    • How China Influenced Western Classical Music. Sheila Melvin, May 2016, Caixin

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    #43998
    Tom Mueller
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    This was a fascinating set of presentations and readings.  Honestly I never thought about western classic music being used as a gateway into having people believe a certain way.  The Europeans were hoping that if the Chinese would accept their presents and music then they would accept their religion.  However, the Chinese took the “parts” they wanted and disregarded the rest.  This reminds me a little of the “start with a carrot and if it does not work then use the hammer” story.  Early on the Europeans showed the Chinese respect and used a softer hand as they entered the Chinese market, when this method did not seem to work or maybe was moving too slowly for the Europeans, they turned to violence – Opium War, etc.  The respect was gone. I saw that in the Shanghai Symphony Orchestra story – at least initially – it had no Chinese people in orchestra or audience. I also found it interesting that as the Soviets came into assist China, they helped defend classical music (as not bourgeois).  During the Cultural Revolution anything that was foreign, etc. needed to be eliminated.  However, the Chinese still used the instruments, but came up with their own music. It was the last part of the presentation that I thought was/is the key to US and Chinese relations back then and now– US events in China and Chinese events in the United States.  If we can “see” Chinese musicians, artists, etc. then we start to “see” the Chinese as people and not as the government. For example, my daughter loves to dance and I know talking to her, that her knowledge of China comes from news and images on her IPad, etc. (I am trying to change it) and with the current climate in our country, most of it does not seem to be very positive.  So I wanted to take her to the Shen Yun dance recital. - https://www.shenyun.com/cleveland?src=hr&country=us. I wanted her to see this beautiful dance and wonderful dancers and maybe she will feel a connection – person to person.

     

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    I was really struck by the value placed in Classical music and how that valued developed overtime.  I think it is interesting that since China has done a better job of containing Covid and because of state support of the arts that the West is going to need to rely on China to keep classical music and symphonic music alive during this pandemic.  What we fund is what we value so this demonstrates alot about Chinese values.

    #44010
    Tom Mueller
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    I agree that it was surprising the push of Classical Music (Symphonic Music) in China. I wondered if someone had ever studied the percent of classical music listeners by country.  I did not find anything specific, but it seems classical music is on the rise – thanks to relaxing apps, etc.  However I did find this article by a UCLA music professor. 

    “Seventy-five percent of my students at UCLA are Chinese or Chinese American. Pianists from China, after graduating from the best music schools in Europe and the United States, return home to pass on classical music traditions in their own distinct ways. This musical exchange is exponentially growing. Concert halls may remain empty in our nation’s cities, especially when traditional classical recitals are offered by a non-household name, but in China, playing a Beethoven or Chopin program is not boring or unhip. Chinese audiences are hungry for more”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-future-of-classical-music-is-chinese/2019/03/22/2649e9dc-4cb5-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

     

    #44023
    Cheryl Watson
    Spectator

    China's use of classical music as  "soft power". China's heavy consumption of Classical music, due to its 1 billion possible consumers, has saved Classical music from near extinction save for aficionados of: chamber music, orchestral performances, and operas.

    China's relentless pursuit of "high culture" through Classical music seems anathema to the Cultural Revolution that derided it. With the "One Child Policy" in different regions of China, parents felt that it was their duty to raise a child who excelled in everything: academics, music, sports. Though realistically speaking every child, no matter how bright, can be valedictorian. Chinese lead the way in Classical music consumption as a reflection of their upward economic mobility in the world.

    Music, in and of itself is always changing and developing, giving its own interpretation to the listener. Psychologically speaking, music takes us to places of exhuberance and rememberance, easing the process of pain in its wake. For some listeners, heavy metal releases the rage, while others extole the virtures of big band music, pop music, jazz, classical, and gospel. 

    For students who do not like history, music is a great way to engage them.

    Yo Yo Ma's Silk Road Ensemble provides an excellent musical map of the Silk Road(s) through East Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East and Africa.

    "The development of the SSO tracks the shifting sands of Shanghai’s interface with external cultures."

    Music gave Chinese people an outlet of choice, but also a connection to the rest of the world. Classical music was exotic when it first arrived in China, as were its instruments. It is common for any culture to take food, art, music from afar and make it its own. China has accomplished this.

    A few psychologists opine that babies and toddlers who listen to classical music (Bach, etc.) have better math and science aptitude.

    Music evokes emotion. For many, playing music or listening to music provides escapism. Perhaps this is why learning to play Classical music took hold in China. It served as a form of rebellion and sabotage against govenmment imposed restrictions in addition to the common pressures of life.

    Though Chinese consider classical music a reflection of high society, Russians consider jazz music and Louie Armstrong just as valuable. Some Classical music purists view jazz as a cacaphony of mindless folly, however, if one were to study jazz in its history and composition, it is far more complicated than classical concertos.

    If music is form of rebellion, then jazz is a coop.

    Russia, by comparison, leans heavily towards jazz, though its classical composers, like Rachmoninov, are numerous. One modern Russian jazz composer was facinated by the ecclectic rhthym of jazz.  It's the notes that you don't play that makes jazz so unique. With its variations, jazz was an escape from Russia's classical, marching band, nationalistic style of instrumental music that is typical in the former (USSR) Russia and China.

    Students are always ready to discuss music, what they like, etc. There musical tastes spread far beyond ethnomusicology to trap, rap, punk, etc. A lesson on ethnomusicology would be a great way to introduce China, Korea and the like using a comparative model. I would include the rebellious nature of music as well to explain how music, even classical music, was used as a form of political and social protest in China. Dynastic Chinese rule and the resultant Cultlural Revolution are great examples of this type of protest. Chance the Rapper is very poetic in his discourse of social issues.

    Students can discuss and write about current forms of popular music that serve as protestations to current events.

     

     

     

     

     

    #44024
    Cheryl Watson
    Spectator

    Chinese classical musicians were very passionate about Classical music to the extent that they took their own lives when the Cultural Revolution forbade Western influence in any form. Perhaps for those musicians it was the only feeling or source of freedom remaining.

    #44025
    Cheryl Watson
    Spectator

    Personally, I have always enjoyed Classical music as a way to reflect, relax, and decompress.

    I have found that Chinese students and Russian students love classical music, but also enjoy other forms of music as well. "Old things have become new" as "nerdy" pursuits have become cool again.

    #44026
    Tom Mueller
    Spectator

    Great point (and I agree with you) in that classical music was going against the Cultural Revolution tendencies. I was thinking that maybe the Chinese elites felt they had made enough changes (the amount of people in an orchestra and creating more “Chinese centric” music) to make it their verison - Chinese.  I think about some of the cultural entities that the US has taken and used that most people think are American.  I also agree that music is one of those great entities that can assist in our teaching.  Thank you for the information in your post to assist me.

     

    #44029

    There is no doubt that music plays a great role in the identity of China and the crossing of boundaries that took place and still takes place in our lives.  The influence of early missionaries on the musical scene in China makes me wonder about the music that emerged at a later time.  The introduction of the instrument Clavichord also gave place to a new style of music.  As I was listening to the different pieces of music played during the sessions, I had the opportunity to reflect on the other music that I listen to and I wonder how many of those pieces have being influenced by East Asian music roots.

    #44031
    Tom Mueller
    Spectator

    Christina – your post made me wonder about other types of music – specifically hip – hop in China.  I grew up mostly in Wonder Bread USA type towns (extremely white).  So when I first heard KRS One and Public Enemy, it was an education (and education I was not getting in my current high school).  Those artists were talking about a world that was unknown to me.  In fact, I started to read the Autobiography of Malcolm X after listening to one of Public Enemy’s songs.  So I was curious about hip – hop in China and found their message is different than in American hip hop

    “But in stark contrast to the longstanding tradition of counter-culturalism and racial protest that has defined American hip-hop, the politics these rappers are asserting has a distinctly, one-noted nationalist tone.” https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20191106-why-chinese-rappers-dont-fight-the-power

    It might be interesting for my students to complete research on hip – hop in different countries and comparing it with the country’s governmental structure.

     

    #44036
    Sandra Makielski
    Spectator

    I was immediately intrigued by the running theme of the Chinese selecting role models who had to overcome adversity.  This is a theme that transcends all borders and boundaries.  One of the examples given was Beethoven.  This is a very familiar musician to most Americans so it would be very easy to use the Little Music Magazine from 1905 as a way to draw connections and parallels.

    I appreciated the sharing of many examples of music and artistis throughout history.  My understanding of western classical music is very limited.  I would have benefited if the professors could have taken one classical chinese song and pointed out what attributes make it "Chinese" versus "Western" in its sound/format.  

    Heartbreaking to hear how the cultural revolution impacted the music community.

    #44041
    Brigid Schmidt
    Spectator

    The lectures by Sheila Melvin and Jindong Cai were fascinating. I have always loved music and am actually taking a class about the importance of music in the classroom also. I knew that there were influences of different cultures with the Silk Road, but I never really thought of western music being of interest in China. It is crazy to think that the symphony was performing 2 weeks ago. I long for the time when we can go listen to a live symphony or orchestra again. (I am thankful I went in February to the Disney Concert Hall before Covid closed things here.) Throughout history, we hear about missionaries in different areas of the world, but not always welcomed or wanted. It was interesting to learn that emperors would write to the Pope to send more missionaries to teach western music and math. The history of the Shanghai Symphony and Conservatory was quite interesting as well. I always think of China as such a powerful country, it surprised that China was looking toward western music to improve the people of China culturally and that they looked to other countries for influences. The interest in studying classical music in Shanghai is also something I didn't realize, but I have seen many classical musicans who come from China. I enjoyed listening to the clips of the Shanghai Symphony. I love the beauty of the blend of styles and instruments. Is there a lot of pressure from the government on young musicians in China? Do you think there will be more pressure on the musicians now that their opera houses and symphonies and orchestras are performing again? 

    #44042
    Jessica Ng
    Spectator

    As the second presentation dove into the 20th century, I wondered eagerly whether Ms. Melvin and Prof. Cai would talk about "The Butterfly Lovers." I grew up hearing it in movies and my parents had a recording of it. It's a lovely piece of music, and I think very accessible for being a "classical" piece composed in the mid-20th century when Western composers were experimenting with electronic sounds (John Cage) and tones (Schoenberg). Did "The Butterfly Lovers" ever cross over to become popular in the US? If not, why?

    I'm interested in exploring the works of some of the composers referenced and interviewed in the NYT article ("The Sound of New Music is Often Chinese"), and exploring how they incorporate folk music into their modern compositions. Would they be similar to the way Bulgarian composers rearranged and reharmonized folk tunes for state-sponsored choirs in the 50s? Or maybe folk elements are woven in more subtly the way Dvořák did with rhythms, melodies, etc? It'd be interesting to use pieces for listening exercises in music classes, to compare how different elements (timbre, rhythm, haronies, structure, etc.) signal different cultures and explore how we learned to associate them as such.

    #44043
    Cervantes Lee
    Spectator

    Somehow I feel that way from 16th century and even before Year 1990 in China. Because "access" to Western music requires influence, knowledge, and resources. Particular when seeing the symbol of orchestra and violin. The music should be in everybody's life and soul everyday. Popular music may really come to rescue for more people in China or in the world after 1980. 

    #44044
    Mike Hagiwara
    Spectator

    What really surprised/intrigued me about this lesson was how much music impacted the development of China. Through most of our own schooling in regards to China, we learned about their social/political turmoil and how they became an economic power but classical music was never given any form of credit (at least in my early education). To hear that western classical music and art had such an important role in China is new to me because I had always been under the impression that, historically, China had largely isolated itself from much of the outside world and developed its own culture without much help from the outside; of course the Silk Road and other trade routes helped established the country's wealth, but I didn't realize how much their culture, policies, and economy were molded by their reliance on western artforms. 

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