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    stubing
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    3a. Expanding Choices 

    This video lecture focuses on the greater freedom Chinese began to enjoy after 1978 to make decisions for themselves. Jobs continued to be assigned when you graduated from high school and college until the early 1990s, but you could opt out and open a business of your own. You could begin to move and to live whereever you could find work. If you could afford it, you could buy your own apartment. Before the 1990s, urbanites had to get housing from their work units (their danwei 单位, their employer). You also had greater choice in health care, though as with other choices, the market began to determine access. If you couldn't afford the care you needed, you couldn't get it.

     

     

    3b. Individual Choices Today

     

     

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    #45175
    Johnny Walker
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                I am continually being forced to reconcile my misconceptions about modern China as I advance in this course, and I really appreciate that! Specifically, I’m interested in evaluating the role of government (both Chinese and American) in 1) economic control, 2) determining social structure and 3) censorship concerning religion and a free press/media. I had taught my students that China’s model was closer to a totalitarian one. While I’ll continue to teach this structure, I’ll be sure to include the gradual softening of government control in some areas and a growing space for individualism. Also, the face of totalitarianism looks different now than it did in the 20th century. And, I’m interested in the role of government censorship of the internet and how China may serve as both a warning and a model for the United States to curb internet extremism.

    First, I didn’t realize that post 1978 China included economic revisions that allowed for greater entrepreneurship in the countryside. I was surprised to learn that this was not a top-down decision, but the result of a successful protest in Xiaogang village (Anhui province). The idea that tourists now visit and recreate the tableau of people deciding to go against the state economic policy and influence to change is surprising to me. It’s fascinating that a change in the household responsibility system caused an explosion of economic activity that further resulted in greater disposable income, entrepreneurship, individuality in fashion, leisure time, and exposure to American culture. Yet, at the same time of loosening control, the one-child policy gave further government control over primary aspects of a family’s social and economic life. Still, I wonder how my students would respond to the idea that they would be placed into a job as a result of their performance in school. I think this could lead to an interesting debate in class about the role of government in economic regulation and the purpose of our public education system.

    Until reading the articles about Christianity in China, I had believed that all religion (Christians and Muslims alike) were outlawed. To read in the NYTimes article that there are more Christians than communists in China was very surprising. I wrote my college senior thesis on the relationship between Christianity and democracy movements in Communist nations particularly in Eastern Europe and Cuba. However, I was interested to see that rather being a mainline Christian denomination, many Chinese “Christians” are apocalyptic millenarians. Given the radicalism and uniquely Chinese stamp of that “Christian” ideology, it’s understandable that the Party would want to control or destroy certain sects. However, it was interesting to me that it seems to be decided on a Provincial level rather than a full-scale national war against religion. I was amused to see that a printing factory in China had printed its 125 millionth Bible, and the State was promoting Chinese Christians to read it rather than be influenced by the more extreme and occasionally violent viewpoints of other Christian sects. I’ve been reading Jonathan Spence’s “God’s Chinese Son” about the Taiping Rebellion where such an apocalyptic preacher inspired civil war that resulted in over 25 million dead. China’s been strongly negatively affected by religion and opiates in the 19th century, so it is understandable that the Marxist warnings of “religion is the opiate of the masses” holds especially strong sway in China today. Yet, as understandable as it is for the Chinese government to want to control or curb religious extremism, I can’t help but be horrified and disgusted at the Chinese government’s use of similar reasoning to justify its genocidal campaigns and enslavement of Uighers.

    Likewise, I was interested to hear about the idea of Chinese government internet censorship as being interested in curbing “horizontal spread” of ‘dangerous ideas.’ I must say that this notion seemed like a preposterous totalitarian concern until very recently. Following the Capitol insurrection, fueled by the wide horizontal spread of extremist ideas, white nationalism, Q-Anon conspiracy and false election claims, it seems that government regulation of internet speech should be a priority within the United States. I’d be curious to explore with my students what limits they believe should be placed on internet free speech and the role of the government to regulate and police it. Should the US government adopt certain aspects of the Chinese model? This would lead to an interesting debate in class. Characters such as Jing Jing and Cha Cha may be coming to an internet near us in the not-so-distant future, and surprisingly, I think I may welcome a version of them that protects Americans from the deadly spread of disinformation and violent extremism.

    #45176
    Mossy Kennedy
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    The complex impact of urbanization is what caught my attention with this week's material.  It was one of the intended results of Deng's reforms and it was necessary for the economic evolution that occurred.  Agricultural reforms nudged  unskilled laborers to cities on a scale that flooded cities with a pool of inexpensive labor.  Aiming for an export economy, state regulations favored industrial output by keeping wages low.  This step of establishing an export economy with a steady supply of low paid workers grew the economy in a way that drew even more workers from rural areas.  Existing cities burgeoned and new cities and infrastructure were built.  The success of China's economy was tied to urban growth.  The growth of cities was intrinsic to economic growth.  The material this week brought a more sophisticated analysis to the impact of this enthusiastic urbanization with a balanced perspective of some of the detrimental impacts of the process.  It captured the loss of traditional culture associated with rural areas and the gaps in culture.  Traditions are being lost.  In line with this, the alienation experienced by those living in the country, because they know they are not the favored ones, adds to the sense of discontent.  The details about the poor quality of rural education and its detrimental impact on the nation raises questions.  Since so much is geared around urban templates, schools outside cities do a poor job of educating their students.  As we saw last week, the best chances of escaping the feared middle-income trap is to  cultivate a broad base of education.  This fails to do that.  The discussion of religion and its link to cities added to the complexity of urbanization.  Those living in cities are in tune with making individual decisions.  This individuality makes control more difficult.  With so many being drawn to Protestant Christianity- more Christians than Communist Party members-the Communist Party struggles to contain one of the unintended impacts of urbanization.

    #45178
    Carlos Fernandez
    Spectator

    The rapid changes I've read and listened to so far are amazing when you think about it.  The first article and the focus of urbanization in China was insightful as we do just think of the farming history and nature of the country of China.  Oh how it changed so much in the years following Mao to even the cultural changes of the late 20th century is truly amazing.  Even looking at the clothing styles of young Chinese students are areas I like to learn about.  The use of the Internet, as stated above by Johnny Walker is also of interest to me in regards to the censorship that exists in China.  The talk of the app "WeTalk" brought this even more to life with the visual representation of the authority, the law, the police officer.  As I continue the readings, I hope to learn more about the impetus for these changes as well as the changes themselves.  I feel a bit as a novice to China as I haven't traveled to China, which many of the seminar participants have.

    #45179

    This weeks topics of expanding choices in China shows the limits of communism in such a large nation. I was suprised to see there are more Christians in China than members of the CCP. I am also impressed by freedom of religion being part of the constitution and that five religions are formally recognized by the government. This gives Chinese people more freedom and choices.

     

    It appears China is going through a dramatic culture change and attempting to decide what is most important within the culture. The destruction of villages to reorganize their living arrangements has taken it's toll on ancient practices. Let's hope people will continue to pass down the traditional aspects of their culture. The push of peoples to maintain multiple jobs since farming is no longer looked upon as a highly regardrd occupation is both surprising and disappointing. However, the communal arrangements of the past under Mao over time has taken it's toll on the family unit and seeing the neglect of some Chinese children is heartbreaking.

     

    The choices the people of China have since the reforms of 1978 is having a great influence on the push for more freedom in the nation as a whole. Musicians, social influencers, and public even dancing has pushed the government to attempt more controls- this in turn has invited young people to push the government for more democratic freedom since 1989. The rise of materialism along with the rise of our one 'world' on the internet will continue to influence the CCP and it's attempts to keep people in check (though Jingjing and Chacha will continue to try...) It will be interesting to see how this continues to play out.

    #45180
    Gisela Gaona
    Spectator

    I completely agree with you Johnny, the lectures and readings in this class have forced to shift my perspective to what I previously knew or believed about China. I for one, also did not know how widespread Christianity was in China. It was shocking to me read that there are so many Christians found in China. I am interested and wondering how Chinese people were able to continue practicing Christianity or any religion for that matter during the period where Mao ruled China. Food for thought for sure. 

    #45181
    Jonathon Allen
    Spectator

    Like you, Johnny, I kept thinking back to the Taiping Rebellion when reading the articles about the unique and apocalyptic nature of certain Chinese Christian sects.  Last week, in fact, our AP World History students spent a whole class unpacking the world's deadliest civil war.  The students were intrigued by Hong Xiuquan's apocalyptic fever dreams and his realization that, as the younger brother of Jesus Christ, his mission is to eradicate the demons from the earth, notably the Qing.  Given the legacy of the Taiping Rebellion in the Chinese collective consciousness, it certainly doesn't take much imagination to understand why the PRC is not only skeptical of many of these modern-day sects but are actively working against them.

    #45182
    Jonathon Allen
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    Reading the selected articles for Session 3 as I'm sheltering in place, teaching remotely from home, and seeing headlines about the World Health Organization's recent findings in Wuhan, has made me ask myself "What about COVID" at least four or five different times as I learn about social transformations in China.  For example, to what extent has COVID exacerbated the poor, rural education delivered to these "left-behind" children over the past year (or has it actually improved a bit if we are to assume that some of these families were staying at home more and engaging less in urban-rural migration? ... or is that laughable to assume that villagers might even have that privileged option?)  Has a global pandemic made it easier for the local public security bureaus to control and censor what's being cast on computer screens since they could simply close down Internet bars out of public safety?  We know that COVID has drastically decreased the mass movement of people throughout China this past week during Chunyun to bring in the Lunar New Year; what other implications is the pandemic having on the social issues we've read for this week?

    I found the role of Christianity in China to be particularly interesting.  I went through my notes from a Teaching East Asia summer institute from three years ago in Boulder, CO to find a quote from Xi Jinping on religion: "We must manage religious affairs in accordance with the law and adhere to the principle of independence to run religious groups on our own accord.  The development of religions in China should be independent of foreign influence."  This seems to corroborate Anderlini's statement that Beijing is not necessarily attempting to suppress Christianity, per se, but to just bring it under control.  (This quote could also be helpful in our history classes as we bridge the past and the present through the lens of "foreign religion as a threat" throughout Chinese early modern and modern history, notably in the 19th and 20th centuries.)  If one of the four "consciousnesses" is the "consciousness of the need to keep in line," then I imagine that the plight of Chinese Christians can't help but germinate the seeds of a revolutionary spirit since their very practice may prevent them from "keeping in line," or may muddle their "consciousness of the core," which is Xi Jinping, himself, it seems.  I wonder if it's even possible for Christians in China to ever be considered mainstream?  Is there an alternative to Beijing viewing a Chinese Christian as anything than the "Other," a threat to its carefully developed and rigid social fabric?

    The role of the Internet in 21st-century China is fascinating, isn't it?  First:  there are more internet users in China than there are people in the United States!  That always helps put it in perspective for me.  Second, I believe I read somewhere (I know, I know - this sounds vague) that social media, on average, fills up approximately six hours of one's day in China and that roughly 10% of that was actually exercising political ideas - the other 90% of internet activity is watching cat videos and chatting with others.  A throughline in many of these readings (and others from prior weeks) is the ubiquitous surveillance of Chinese citizens, from Xinjiang (the "most heavily monitored place in the world"), Tibet, and major urban sprawls but also down to installed cameras in rural secondary dorms to keep students in line and the potential surveillance in any given wang ba / Internet bar in China.  Again, I wonder if the pandemic has these around-the-clock Internet police working overtime since people are less likely to congregate and are taking to the web?  In any case, the threat that the worldwide internet poses to a country that continues to infuse the element of surveillance into its national identity is certainly one worth watching.

    Lastly, I found the idea of a "moonlight clan" to be quite interesting.  It was briefly mentioned in the Lu and Ye article as a group of people who believe it is "healthy to eat and use up everything you have" and who value individualist material pursuits over family responsibility.  I mean ... if this isn't the antithesis of the communist ideal, what is?  I'd be curious to hear more about this sense of rebellion and how attractive it may be to villagers who seem to have "lowered their moral standards" and may be receptive to a more public resistance.

    #45183
    Ray Clark
    Spectator

    The videos were quite enlightening , because I remember being very shocked by Tiannamen Square, as was much of the (Western, at least) world, but I also remember somone telling me that there was a limit to freedom.  A few others have previously commented on the horizontal linkage, and I would like to know how this fits in with the trend towards assimilating the people into a larger "Han-nization" as they seem to be doing through methods such as the forced moves, detaining minorities & dissidents, and other methods.

    Most of us are aware of the surveillance of the Chinese government on the populace, but are there significant differences depending on location, age or other variables, as to how much surveillance or the amount or types of data collected?  If a person typed in a term such as falun gong that was censored, does that automatically mean that one is visited by the authorities or even possibly detained or interrogated?  Does it matter if the person is a foreigner (not of Chinese descent) or a CCP member?

    Lastly, I noticed that McDonalds and Starbucks didn't reach mainland China until the 1990s, but I had seen them in Hong Kong prior to that. Is that because it was seen as foreign territory at that time, or are there other reasons? 

    #45184
    Gisela Gaona
    Spectator

    As I watched the pre-recorded lectures and read the assigned material, I kept reflecting on the ways that I could incorporate these new ideas into my everyday classroom usage.

    World History:
    It was astounding to me to read the "Financial Times" article wher it describes the fact that Christianity is rising in China. The article stated that, "By 2030 China will almost certainly have more Christians than any other country" which is interest to mark given that they are a communist state. One way to incorporate this into my world history classroom is by teaching my students the idea complexity. The world certainly isn't a binary system, and neither are societies. In the unit about world religions, it would be interesting to pose questions such as "Why is it important that China is projected to become the largest Christian nation on Earth?" or "How does China reconcile atheism while also being the largest religion in the world?" Moreover, the pre-recorded lectures talked about the State having 5 approved religions, one of which Christianity falls under. Therefore, that leads me to believe as to how the government will grapple with an ever increase following of Christianity if it one of the state approved religions.

    Government:
    The article about access to the web can be perfectly incorporated into my government classes. The articles written by the NY Times was written in 2000, so although it is a dated it provides a great insight as to the distribution of internet usage over the country of China. As the article point out, in the year 2000 50% of the internet usage was used by only 5% of the population. This population is of course concentrated in the major Chinese cities, all of which lie in the Eastern portion of the country. The Western side of China according to the article is under-developed, slow to reach the internet age. I could find an article or infograph about the US's internet usage in the year 2000 to compare the usage across the country. Students incorporate a little bit of their political science science skills by creating bar graphs, pie charts, or any other sort of visual to share with the class as to how the US compared to China in internet usage in the year 2000. I could add another layerto this by having them do research of the distribution of internet usage in the year 2021 and have them compare and contrast that data to that of the original 2000 NY Times article that is posted above.

    #45188
    Hector Alejandro
    Spectator

    I googled how many internet users China has now, 854 million which is a ten-fold increase since the article on the internet bars was written.  I suspect smartphones probably account for much of this increase.  This raises the question how and to what extent the Chinese government controls the access to information of so many internet users.  Do phones come with pre-installed surveillance software or is the filtering done at the server/provider level?  I wonder if hackers and others are able to find ways around the filters.  Also, do certain people get targeted for surveillance based on their use of the internet?

    The article on the suppression of Christianity is another example of "big brother" trying to control another essential aspect of people's lives, spirituality.  It is as if religious belief presents a threat to the communist status quo because people might put religious values ahead of the Chinese communist ideology resulting in conflict and subversion.  The article points out how there are more Christians than Communist Party members, which puts this perceived threat in perspective.  I agree with the article's inference at the end that it will be difficult to suppress spirituality even if the government tries to regulate which denominations are allowed and erects other barriers.  I wonder how far the government is willing to go in tampering with something so personal like spirituality.

    #45189
    Ryan Carothers
    Spectator

    The economic changes that have taken place in China since 1978, including the ability to make money outside of the quota --- have clearly led to a dramatic rise in the standard of living. For instance, the ability to rent a condo for five years, then purchase it shows capitalism has improved the lives of many Chinese citizens. Based on the previous lecture, it is clear this has not trickled down and around to the migrant workers as much as we would like. However, protests against chemical processing plants show there is much potential for these changes to "float all boats." Freedom of speech seems to be the last. I am suprised the government in China has been able to regulate it so much (or, at least that is the impression we get in the West). Dr. Dube noted how membership in the church dwarfs that in the Communist Party. I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that many writings in the New Testament seem to echo values found in Confucionism? For instance, the Apostle Paul's instructions regarding relations between husbands and wives, parents and children, or masters and servants? The popularity of Christianity is new, but the chord it strikes might be very old (possibly reflecting the traditional values from before Mao). This is just a speculation on my part. But, it will be interesting to see how this religion will synthesize with the culture at large. 

    #45192
    Jonathan Alami
    Spectator
    • The social and cultural transformation China has gone through since 1978 has been revolutionary in and of itself. Although still a Communist country today, China has implemented reform policies that have allowed for economic change. These policies in turn have resulted in a large and growing middle class with disposable income and opportunities for entrepreneurship that allow for economic and social mobility. The growth of the Chinese economy since 1978 has prompted a huge migration of people from the countryside to the cities, particularly Guangdong, Shanghai and Beijing. China’s economic transformation from a rural and agrarian economy, albeit state-controlled, to an urban and industrial economy has had massive social and cultural ramifications. 
     
    • The growth of manufacturing in China coupled with the rapid increase in exports has driven a mass migration of people from the countryside to coastal cities. Cities such as Shanghai have transformed rapidly to accommodate the influx of workers from the countryside, but also as the middle class has grown and incomes have increased. It surprised me that as a result of this interregional migration, as many as 60 million children have been left behind as their parents have moved to the cities in search of work. It also surprised me that me that as cities have grown and developed since 1978, many properties have been torn down in favor of new developments. The owners of these properties were oftentimes not compensated well enough to continue living in the same area, so I wondered whether homelessness is or has become a challenge in China as a result of its economic and social changes. 
     
    • The growth of the Chinese economy along with reform policies has also allowed for the development of a consumer culture. This consumer culture has brought shopping malls, restaurants, theatres, and internet cafes to China. Previously forbidden elements of cultural expression such dance, rock and roll, and western clothing styles have come along with this new consumer culture. The rise of the internet in the 21st century has furthered this development. There are limitations to this social transformation, however. The internet is monitored and censored by the government and inequality between the rich and the poor and the urban and the rural has grown. As economic growth starts to slow down, I am wondering what effect this will have on “openness” in China. 
     
    #45198
    Aaron Rabena
    Spectator

    It's very interesting to know how China has opened its economy and how the society followed suit. The latter can be observed in the rise of consumerism in China especially amongst the youth, and how they have become more Westernized. While China has already opened economcially and socially, it is noticeable that there are still limits as to how China is liberalizing, particularly in the political realm, as there continues to be censorship. And I think this is because the CPC wants to maintain stability given that they perceive some Western political values or narratives detrimental to their legitimacy. Also important to note is the fact that not all efforts to open the economy came from the Party or the State as in the case of the Xiaogang Village in Anhui Province.  

    #45229
    Jonathan Alami
    Spectator

    Johnny, I also have had some of my prior conceptions about China changed as a result of this course. I did not that there were policies allowing for some entrepeneurship in rural areas. This does give the impression that the Chinese government has loosened its authoritarian grip over its people since 1978. However, as you pointed out the One Child Policy did not come about until the 1980s. This policy remains a sobering reminder that although China relaxed some control over its people, it still dictated a basic social construct such as family size.

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