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  • #8359
    stubing
    Spectator

    Register for the discussion session on Zoom here: https://usc.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJAvfuqtrT4oH9Qmi0Q93pPVPcFrqBf6a64h

    We have three recorded lectures for this session.
    1- Song 960-1279; Yuan 1279-1368
    2 - Ming 1368-1644
    3- Qing 1644-1911 (though we'll only go to 1800)

     

    Song and Yuan

     

     

    We'll have to cover a lot of ground in this session. We'll start with disunion following the collapse of the Tang dynasty at the start of the tenth century and go to a pivotal point at the start of the nineteenth century during China's last dynasty, the Manchu Qing dynasty. Please watch the two recorded lectures and read what you can of these materials. Please draw on at least one idea or puzzle to discuss in a post prior to our session on May 12.

    For the Song and Yuan periods dynasty (960-1279), please read the Attractions of the Capital (N. Song dynasty: Kaifeng, S. Song dynasty: Hangzhou) reading and the Marco Polo selection.

     

    Ming dynasty

     

     

    Zheng He - outline of the aims and impact of the early 15th century voyages, together with recommended classroom activities (Columbia AFE ; Univ. of Tennessee, Chattanooga)

    Three primary source documents:
    Hongwu emperor proclamations, pdf below
    Ming-era commercial activities, pdf below
    Ming-era land contracts/landlord-tenant relations, pdf below

    And - a local discovery at the Huntington - Yongle Encyclopedia, pdf below

    Please note that in the Ming dynasty video lecture, there are two places where I've asked you to pause the video and comment. The first asks you to identify the values and priorities in the proclamations reading attached here and two placards introduced in the video. The second notes that China opened a bit to outsiders (Jesuit scientists) at just the time that the Tokugawa were closing most of Japan down (ca. 1600). What benefits might come from being open? What costs might be incurred?

     

    Qing

     

     

    Please dive into these primary source materials to help us understand some key issues in the Qing dynasty. This Manchu-governed dynasty lasted from 1644 to 1911, but our course concludes at 1800. So the Qing we're looking at is "high" Qing, meaning it was the largest and most advanced empire of its day (though by 1800, Britain was adding India to its empire, having just lost the thirteen American colonies). Still, by 1800, the problems the Qing would face were increasingly evident.

    One of those problems was an assertive West. In addition to the pdfs below, please read this letter from the Qianlong emperor to King George III of the United Kingdom: https://china.usc.edu/emperor-qianlong-letter-george-iii-1793.

    Required:
    Ebrey, Qing - Yangzhou massacre
    Ebrey, Qing - Magistrate's casebook

    Optional, but very interesting:
    Ebrey, Qing - novel excerpt, Headman and the Teacher
    Ebrey, Qing - genealogy rules -- Who is included and who isn't?

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    #45720
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    For next year's curriculum my colleague and I are thinking about how can we use guiding questions to drive instruction. One major one I have thought in great lengths about is "What makes a civilization great?" I think often when we think about this question our brains are drawn to things such as great military prowess, a booming economy, a civilzation with great industrial power. However, I feel the idea of inclusivity is often left out of this debate. I find a civilization's ability to be inclusive is a trade mark of a great civilization. I hink bringing the debate to class about what are the benefits and down falls of an inclusive society would be a great conversation to bring to students, especially in the climate of today where immigration is such a big topic. I feel an inclusive society leads to things like a great army, economic system, and industry. The ability to incorporate many peoples and cultures can allow for a society to grow, piece together different traditions and technology from the people enveloped into the civilization, and create a diverse labor force. At the same time an inclusive society can lead to in fighting for power so there are deffinitely pros and cons. I think this is why this would be such a great topic to bring to the classroom. this topic would allow for great debate amongst students, make connections to present events, and force students to dig deeper to explain what makes a civilization great outside of the normal and obvious answers. There are many examples from history about inclusivity and the benefits it provides. Some of the world's largest empires such as Rome, Greece under Alexander, and the Mongolian takeover of almost the whole Asian continent are great examples that show how inclusivity can be a trait of a great civilization. In higher level classes this can also lead into great discussions about the expansion and contracting of culture.

    #45721
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    One of my goals this year is to increase student ability to argue and explain conclusion using valid reasoning and evidence both verbally and in writing. Since this has been my goal I am constantly looking for ways to bring debate to my classroom and I think the marco Polo debate would be a great way to do this. This debate may be hard for the seventh graders I teach because you need to know a lot about the period and the culture to argue either way on this topic. However if you are able to provide the right sources to students I think they could deffinitely make some great arguments for and against marco polo being in China. this would hinsestly be a great topic for a DBQ. This debate could also lead into great conversation about why is Marco polo so popularized? The time of marco Polo's supposed stay in China is interesting when you consider the state of Europe during the 13th and 14th centuries. Did Europe model themselves off of the ideas put forward in Polo's work? What role does Marco Polo play in negative images of Asians throughout history? I think there is a multitude of ways in which we can discuss the impact of marco Polo. Even if he was not in China his story is still important, so what is the purpose of prostelitizing stories such as marco Polo? I think great conversation and debate drives a history class room and I think Marco Polo offers a plethora of jumping off points into many different areas.

    #45722
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    I think the reading "The Attractions of the Capital" would be a great text to bring to any classroom. First and foremost I think a lot of students think about history and think that people just basically worked. The idea of a flourishing culture almost seems impossible to them in a time so long ago. I think this piece brings the city of Hangzhou to life. I think a great way to bring this text to the classroom would be to jigsaw it. if you split up your class and gave groups different sections they then could turn around and teach the class allowing you to cover more ground in shorter time. Not only could this bring the culture of the 13th century to lifr but this reading could act as a spring board for many more activities. You could use this reading as the center piece of a debate about which institution played the biggest role in the culture of Hangzhou? It also is ripe with potential writing prompts in many different styles. It could also be a great discussion starter and look into how cities were organized. I think in theis reading we see how complex the cit and civilization was. There was many moving cogs in the machine that was Hangzhou. This could lead to discussions about ancient economies and governance. You could also compare Hangzhou to other cities across the curriculum such as Edo or even Timbuktu. I think bringing history to life allows students to put themselves in these ancient times and I think this reading could be a great resource for any class!

    #45723

    My students will LOVE reading the letter from Emperor Quianlong.  As we try to combat a Eurocentric world history curriculum, anything that shows another perspective is welcome.  Phrases like "parktake the benefits of our civilisation" and "have no use your for country's manufactures" demonstrate that the European way of being wasn't universally accepted.  The idea that the Chinese accepted silver in trade for silk, tea and porcelein because they didn't really want any European goods will be an excellent discussion starter.  This letter also sets up our lessons on the Opium War.  Having heard about the dangers of drugs since birth, my students find the idea of Europeans forcing open trade with opium both sad and hilarious.  

    #45724
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    The proclamations of the Hongwu emperor paired with the edicts professor Dube displayed presented in the Ming dynasty video show that the emperor was using the idea of Karma to try and persuade people to be good. This is fascinating to me because it brings up a ton of questions especially when you consider it alongside professor Dube's comments about how they wanted to govern on a budget. This idea of persuading citizens to obey the law by playing into their ideas of Karma is intriguing. 

    I think some other ideas come out of the proclamation reading. For instance it shows that above all else their was a great emphasis put on agriculture. It was interesting to learn that agriculture was not to be disrupted unless it was completely necessary. I think an interesting question to raise to students would be to ask if the emperor was being greedy himself by not allowing agriculture to be interupted. Sure we need agriculture to feed the masses but at the same time agriculture was the driving force of the economy. Agriculture was probably the main way in which common people paid taxes which allowed for the emperor to live the life he did and run his government. Was he hypocritical for calling out people for being greedy but he passed laws himself that basically forgave minor crimes as long as it kept buisness moving?

    I think these documents would be extremeley interesting to bring to a variety of classrooms. From this three page document and two edicts we learn a lot about the legal system of the Ming dynasty, their cuture, and their economy. 

    #45725
    Todd Rutley
    Spectator

    What priorities and values are evident in the proclamations of the Hongwu Emperor? What philosophical ideas do they draw upon?

    This note will refer to the founder of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Yuanzhang, by his posthumous “temple name” Ming Taizu.  

    Priorities and Values

    Ming Taizu’s priority was to promote good behavior and to punish bad behavior. In his life experience, government corruption was the biggest evil that oppressed the poor peasant class from which he arose and targeting government corruption at all levels was therefore the biggest priority of his reign. 

    Promoting good behavior, and severely punishing bad behavior, would protect society from internal sources of disorder. It would also result in a rigid authoritarian society. Maintaining a very large army would also protect society from external sources of disorder.

    Philosophical Ideas (reference: Ebrey, East Asia, 2006)

    Ming Taizu’s philosophy appears to be “legalist”, the philosophy that people are selfish so they must be ruled by clear laws & fear of punishment. This is shown by the passage “With the exception of the righteous person, the true gentleman, and the sage, no one is able to avoid the temptation of money” and the passage “I capture and imprison the corrupt…I punish them with the death penalty or have them flogged with bamboo sticks in order to make manifest the consequences of good and evil action”.

    Ming Taizu’s philosophy was also influenced by the Red Turban rebels who held Manichean ideas on the competition between good and evil. Because of the inherent evil in most men, driven by selfishness, the battle of good vs. evil is ongoing.

    Afterthoughts

    Reading about Ming Taizu’s philosophy reminded me of the quote from Apocalypse Now when General Corman said “In this war, things get confused out there—power, ideals, the old morality, and practical military necessity . . . because there’s a conflict in every human heart between the rational and the irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph.” So, I wonder if Gorman was a Manichean. I think so…but after taking this class for 2 months I am starting to see Chinese philosophy everywhere in everything! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjB8z0Bvi14

    Another aside. Patricia Ebrey said “Taizu had deeply ambivalent feelings about men of education and sometimes brutally humiliated them in open court. His behavior was so erratic that most likely he suffered from some form of mental illness” (Ebrey, East Asia, 2006, p. 271). What recent US President does this description resemble?

    Wikipedia: Manichaeism was a major religion founded in the 3rd century AD by the Parthian prophet Mani, in the Sasanian Empire. Manichaeism taught an elaborate dualistic cosmology describing the struggle between a good, spiritual world of light, and an evil, material world of darkness.  

    Questions: 

    Was the name of Dynasty - the Ming - influenced by Manichean dualist philosophy? 

    #45726
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    Professor Dube said the bronze dragon displayed in the second video on the Ming dynasty was male and then asked to discuss why we ight think this is the case. I honestly have no idea what makes the dragon male but I will take a shot at it! First of all the dragon looks huge in comparrison to its surrounding. I feel like based on other ideas from ancient times male figures are usually cast to be much larger in actually size than their female counterparts. I also believe this looks like a prominent place in which this statue is displayed. It appears the dragon could act almost as a pilar at the entrance to a walk way and there may even be one parallel to it. I also find I guess what you would call the dragon's mane to be quite emphasized where I believe one of a female might not be as intricate and prominate. If I were to picture a female dragon in comparison to this one I would assume it would be smaller, more simple, and placed in a less prminate area almost as to symbolize the different roles in not only society but in the family that men and women play.

    #45727

    Both the description of the Yangzhou massacre and the casebook once again highlight the reality of women throughout history.  First, women are carried off as spoils of war, or simply assaulted in the street during battle.  The husband knew what might happen to his wife, and encouraged her to commit suicide if the soldiers got to close.  In the casebook, the man is upset because he didn't just sell his younger daughter in the first place.  Women are drugged and then raped.  Women are commodities to be used and dismissed.  The casualness, especially of the man selling his daughter, is especially disturbing.  We spend a lot of time in history trying to share womens' stories and not just center mens' experiences, but these two documents highlight the reality for many.  

    #45728
    Sean Lobberecht
    Spectator

    The letter from the emperor to King George was almost amusing. I can only imagine the reaction of he King upon hearing this letter. At the time of this letter England regarded themselves as the greatest empire on Earth. Imagine the look on King George's face as his fellow countrymen were repeatedly refered to as barbarian?I think this letter would be great to bring into the classroom. We often view England in the west as a powerhouse, almost the rulers of the Earth, as they say "The Sun never Sets on England." To see how China so repugnantly turned down England's envoys I think gives us an interesting lens into examining the relations between the East and the West. I think it would also be interesting to compare Japan's trade policies with that of China because it feels like they had similar systems. 

    it is also interesting to view this interaction through the lens of understanding that China could have greatly benefited from European manufacturing technologies as their productivity continuously decreased as they could not get any more out of their land. That leads us to an interesting question though, development at what cost? What would the impacts be if China was able to industrialize earlier? 

    #45730
    Todd Rutley
    Spectator

    I say no. Here is why I say this.

    I see the Marco Polo adventure story as an early example travel writing – a genre that appeals to the desire of people to know more about the broader world without actually leaving home.

    Marco Polo is like a modern travel writer who describes the foreign place as fantastic, beyond imagination and far different than our lived experience.   

    I see the same style in Jules Verne.  Spoiler alert: He did not really Journey to the Center of the Earth (1864), or travel Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas (1870), or travel Around the World in Eighty Days (1872).

    I see it in the same genre as Gulliver’s Travels. It was an adventure tale. Referring to a new foreign place in travel is a good way to introduce new ideas, different social practices, types of societies and social orders.

    While we are on the topic, James Clavell did not live in Tokugawa era Japan when writing Shogun.

    Adventure travel writing is imaginative and encourages new and different thinking.  That is why it is so popular today and why Marco Polo had a large effect on history regardless of the veracity of his tales.

    Columbia University describes his importance  as follows:  “Before Marco Polo returned and set down his memoirs, most Europeans were ignorant of the great civilizations to their east… It was through the eyes of Marco Polo that many Europeans first learned about those civilizations to the east, and his book was popular in his own time and for centuries thereafter. Other explorers in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, the "Age of Exploration," all confessed that they were inspired by the great world Polo had described. Two hundred years after Marco Polo, another Italian seaman, Christopher Columbus, carried a well-worn copy of Polo's travels when he set out west for a new route to the fabled Indies.”

    Think about the last sentence and ask yourself the question Professor Dube raised: Does it really matter if Marco Polo visited ancient China?

    References

    https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2008-10-14/the-69-greatest-fiction-travel-books-of-all-time

    https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/fantasy-travel

    50+ Must-Read Portal Fantasy Books

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver%27s_Travels

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dgun_(novel)

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/mongols/pop/menu/class_marco.htm

    #45731
    Morgan Burt
    Spectator

    The letter by Emperor Qianlong was very direct to King George. His message becomes increasingly clear in his responses to the British ambassador's proposals and reasons for declining those proposals. He describes Europeans to be ones of excess, who "yearned after the blessings of our civilization." Europeans are a nation of want and desire beyond what they need. Although the Emperor ``understands" their position in that they are an island on their own, they are too self-indulgent. The Emperor declines requests for British settlements in many locations in order to engage with trade in China. He claims that the Chinese do not need goods from other nations, it would not be fair for additional countries who want to trade with China, and lastly it would be dangerous, as many conflicts would erupt in the area. At the end of the letter, the Emperor gives a stern request, "Tremblingly obey and show no negligence!..." This letter must have caused King George  to be furious. Great Britain was considered to be a world power during this time, so this sort of response would seem to be a direct conflict to Great Britain. I am unsure if King George would take the letter seriously, as he viewed his own country to be the world power, and not China. However, I am sure that it must have angered him.

    #45732
    Richard Cate
    Spectator

    The question of the reality of Marco Polo actually traveling to Cathay as the Europeans called it is not actually a new debate. When it was published many if not most people believed it was a work of fiction. They had a very narrow world view, but they also lacked very much in the way of wonder and magic in their lives, so it was a popular book.

    Why did he fail to mention the Great Wall, tea, bound feet or many other of the wonders of China? There are several logical reasons that were mentioned by Clay in the first video lecture. The Great wall wasn't so great by his time, much of it had only been tamped dirt construction and weather and lack of maintaining infrastructure would leave it much like it is today (No, the Ming Wall the tourists visit is not what is out in the West, there it is much like Hadrian's wall, just a mound with some ruins, it may not have existed where he entered China and he would not likely be able to envision it's extent. 

    Two other reasons might explain his not taling about the wall. Frist, the people already not believe the size and scope of things in China, The Wall would just cause more scoffing of what he described. As it was he did not describe China as being so much more in every way than Europe. It would not have played well telling his audience that they were just dirty barbarian hicks when compared with Asia. Second, and a very important factor was that it was not healthy to challenge the view of the church. The Catholic Church was by far the most significant power in Europe and did not take well challenges to it's proclamations. For this reason people were very careful to not make waves at least not very high ones.

    The other omissions were likely more due to the reality that he wa snot a high offical but rather just embellished his role. Who was going to go check on it and it made for a better story, as he was a participant with his "superior" European wisdom and skills helping the savages. 

    "The Tavels of Marco Polo"is an interesting read. I enjoyed that one of the first things he wrote on when describing the capital was the professional ladies. Perhaps he did his generalship safely in their warm embrace rther thn on a battlefield. He would not be the first person in history to enhnce his own abilities and accomplishments. Of course, in our day and age we are past such behaviors.

    And, Yes I do believe that Marco joined in the family business, and taveled to China. And, does it matter if he realy did what he aid? No, the inspiration he gave to generations of Europeans to seek out the new worlds that was there all around them changed the course of the world. 

    #45733
    Richard Cate
    Spectator

    The Travels of marco Polo has many sections that can be used in class to get students to brainstorm things like the relative size, advancement, social norms, and so on beween cultures. It can be used to tie into the same comparisons of todays world. And bias in the observations can be shown by including a description of the capital done from Chinese eyes at the same time.

    The problem with this specific excerpt is the emphsis on prostitution when used in middle schools. I can assure you there are parents that would make calls. So you couls edit that out or use another excerpt.

    I like to include a look at bias in all source readings. With our students depending on the web for so much of the information that they depend on to give them their opinions, it is important to costantly reinforce the need to assess what was the reason a piece was written, what was the society that the author came from like, did they favor or oppose the subject of their work.

    We see a desire to purge historical views that offend the delecate social sensibilities du jour. We do not seem to get across to our students tha people can only know what they CAN know. A time holds its own world view, we cannot judge that world view, even if we disagree with it based on what we know in our time. I remember what one of the couples I was traveling with the first time I went to Egypt. They were from the mid-West and "born again" Christians. After walking away from the temple complex of Karnak they said that it was too bad that they spent of of this time and energy worshiping "false gods." I couldn't help but think that they did not realize that from the religious point of view that they were worshiping according to what God had revealed to them in their own time. We can only know what our time knows.

    #45734
    Richard Cate
    Spectator

    I have to say that I have been amazed by the number of resource attachments you include every week. Thank you for sharing your research with us.

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