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    cgao
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    How did fast foods such as ramen, instant noodles, and Western-style chain restaurants transform fast food in both Asia and America? 

     

     

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    #46180

    Right after posting this video, news came out that Hawker Chan lost his Michelin star. 🙁 

    https://mothership.sg/2021/09/michelin-guide-spore-star-revelation/

    #46248
    Jennifer Smith
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    This week's video was thought-provoking and gave me several ideas for ways that I could discuss food ways with my students. I especially enjoyed the various video clips and think my students would enjoy them as well. One way that I could incorporate this information into my language arts course would be to have students examine the similarities and differences between the types of advertisements from different countries, including word choice, music, and photo/video arrangement. I think students would also enjoy examining a timeline of ads/commercials to see how they have changed over time. 

    I think my students would be most interested in examining the menu differences in different countries. I was able to quickly find a couple of different McDonald's menus (Korea, Japan). I could have students work in small groups and assign each group a menu from a different country. This could include a variety of activities from looking at the availability of seasonal items to completing math activities to explore how much these menu items would cost in the United States. I am curious to learn more about the mass production of the items served by McDonalds and the processes food scientists use to generate the recipes.

    The aspect of food vending machines was also interesting and I could use the different types of food vending machines as the basis for a STEM lesson in which students would explore the mechanisms necessary to create and vend different foods and then have the students design a new vending machine to create and vend their favorite East Asian cuisine. This could also be very detailed as we discussed the importance of sanitation and the different temperatures at which foods needed to be kept to avoid spoilage.

    One aspect that I look forward to discussing and learning more about this week is the similarities and differences in food trucks in different part of the world. 

    #46249
    Angela Lee
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    I was in Singapore for the summer of 2017, but never got to try Hawker Chan's stall.  That's still a regret I have, but the lines were always crazy long.

    #46251

    In light of this weeks learning, I thought you all would be interested to see that Bibigo is now the official sponsor of the Lakers. https://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/lakers-and-bibigo-announce-multi-year-global-marketing-partnership-2021

    #46252
    Gabriel Valdez
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    I posted a lot on a previous week about the glocalization of globalization of "Western" and "Eastern" fast food restaurants such as Mos, Lotteria, McDonald's and more. As much as food is universal each takes their own interpretation due to local ingredients/tastes and more. 

    #46253

    I was really taken by the idea that initially ramen shops were not locations that were "respectable" places for women to visit. Women's relationship with food is such an interesting one. Gender norms place the responsibility of cooking at home on women while professional kitchens tend to be male dominated spaces.

    I really loved the info graphics  from this weeks lecture  I can see using them with students as a way to analyze stats and media literacy  

     

    #46254

    I wonder if there's a Bibigo in Staples Center. 

    #46255
    Bill Hilt
    Spectator

    Can you believe that when I first started traveling abroad, I purposefully did not go to McDonald's because my thought was--"I can have that at home.  Then once, on a particularly long trip, I was a bit homesick, and I went to McD's to get some Coke with ice.  What I discovered was McDonald's really has many things to offer which are different from home--sometimes, very different.  

    I started using the corporate site to teach about cultural diffusion.  The students absolutely loved using the site to find foods they thought were "crazy" from other counties.  We had some in-depth discussions about why different dishes were available in different countries.  For example, my students often highlight one that was also highlighted in the video--the offering of very little beef in India.  But they also find many other interesting cultural connections. 

    When I was watching the video, I wondered aloud to my wife that I thought I pretty much knew all there is to know about Raman, but it turned out I did learn some things.  I particularly enjoyed the video on "How to Eat Raman."  I have seen some before, but there were some new details on this one.  I did not know that picking up the bowl to finish the broth was a sign of respect.  I think my mother would not have been happy with me if I did that at the table growing up. 

    Additionally, I was really interested as I make Raman somewhat regularly.  I really enjoy the whole, long process.   See Photo

    I think instant noodles, raman, and western style fast food made some of these dishes more available to the masses, so they grew in reach and acceptance.  Even those who may prefer a more high quality food choice, will sometimes looked to these foods for convenience.  Eventually nostalgia takes over, enduring such foods to us even more. 

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    #46257
    Bill Hilt
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    Can you believe that when I first started traveling abroad, I purposefully did not go to McDonald's because my thought was--"I can have that at home.  Then once, on a particularly long trip, I was a bit homesick, and I went to McD's to get some Coke with ice.  What I discovered was McDonald's really has many things to offer which are different from home--sometimes, very different.  

    I started using the corporate site to teach about cultural diffusion.  The students absolutely loved using the site to find foods they thought were "crazy" from other counties.  We had some in-depth discussions about why different dishes were available in different countries.  For example, my students often highlight one that was also highlighted in the video--the offering of very little beef in India.  But they also find many other interesting cultural connections. 

    When I was watching the video, I wondered aloud to my wife that I thought I pretty much knew all there is to know about Raman, but it turned out I did learn some things.  I particularly enjoyed the video on "How to Eat Raman."  I have seen some before, but there were some new details on this one.  I did not know that picking up the bowl to finish the broth was a sign of respect.  I think my mother would not have been happy with me if I did that at the table growing up. 

    Additionally, I was really interested as I make Raman somewhat regularly.  I really enjoy the whole, long process. 

    I think instant noodles, raman, and western style fast food made some of these dishes more available to the masses, so they grew in reach and acceptance.  Even those who may prefer a more high quality food choice, will sometimes looked to these foods for convenience.  Eventually nostalgia takes over, enduring such foods to us even more.  

    #46258
    Angela Lee
    Spectator

    What really caught my interest this week is to see how the process of globalization has led to some concrete results.  I teach my students about syncretism, the mixing of two distinct cultures that gives rise to a new culture, and this process can be applied to some of these big multinational food corporations that have been able to take their brand and make it unique to the regions that they reach. In world history, this is a process that I hope that my students will be able to recognize in other incidences of diffusion in world history. For instance, if we take a look at Buddhism, and how it's been diffused from India to China to Japan and Korea, and all along the way, there is some cultural tweak that made it more accessible to the people of that region.  

    McDonalds, KFC, and other multinational food corporations has been able to take this to a much higher level in their marketing and tweaking of products, and convenience is an easy sell! The examples highlighted in the lecture this week are great examples of the process of globalization that has occurred across centuries along trade routes and all over the world. I'm also interested in the how some Asian corporations are trying to do something similar and marketing to a wider audience outside of Asia. Bibigo is one of those companies, and they are easily the most recognizable food product that I can find in my local Costco, and in some non-Asian grocery stores. 

    I'm also wondering how brands pick up on successful models too.  When I have traveled in China through summer months, many of our local friends prefer going to Dico's for their fried chicken rather than KFC.  Will these newer national brands also have plans to expand much outside their countries of origin?  I don't think I prefered Dicos since I grew up with KFC, but I was struck with how much the marketing and products "copied" the ones from the larger companies like KFC. https://www.streetfoodguy.com/fine-dining-dicos/

    #46259
    Amy Stamm
    Spectator

    I just read an article by anthropologist Adam Liebman that was in the Spring 2021 issue of Education About Asia (Vol. 26, No. 1) called “Waste Politics in Asia and Global Repercussions,” which I thought was particularly relevant to the topic of fast food. Liebman documents a new turn in the environmental movement in the Philippines, led by Froilan Grate, to shift the narrative on food packaging waste. For years, the United States, Canada, and European countries have been shipping their waste to Asian countries. In China there has been an industry around plastics recycling, but as Liebman points out, garbage is regularly mixed in with plastic recycling streams, and the unregulated processing of plastic has exploited poverty-stricken people and devastated the environment. The entire recycling industry, according to Liebman, is premised on exploitation because countries find it too expensive to recycle when they have to follow environmental regulations calling for non-pollution and pay workers fair wages.

    When wealthy countries ship their waste to less wealthy countries, those on the receiving end are then more likely to be framed as polluters when plastics shipped to their countries drift into waterways. For example, in 2016, The Ocean Conservancy published a report stating that 60% of the oceans’ plastic pollution was caused by China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, and Viet Nam. Another study found that 95% of ocean plastic pollution came from eight Asian rivers and two African rivers. What some Asian environmental activists, forming the coalition Break Free from Plastic (BFFP), have started to do, though, is to identify the names of the brands that have washed into the oceans and to publicize the waste produced by these brands. In so doing, the activists have effectively intercepted the media blame aimed at end consumers and placed it squarely on the original corporate producers of food packaging and other single-use plastic. BFFP has now grown into 11,000 organizations and individual members around the world, and as a result of their global brand audits, unwanted attention has been directed at Coca-Cola, PepsiCo, Nestle, Unilever, Mondelez international, Mars Inc., Procter & Gamble, Philip Morris International, and Colgate-Palmolive. In addition to placing pressure on corporations to reduce their plastic waste and pay for the waste streams they create, BFFP led a campaign that resulted in amending the international treaty that regulates transboundary movements of hazardous wastes and their disposal so that countries like the U.S. can’t just use the world as our dumping ground.

    I think these issues of packaging and waste are critical for the food industry to consider as the world reckons with the devastating effects of global warming. The inconsistent regulation of waste streams, enabling plastics to fill the world’s oceans, relates to the inconsistency in fishing laws that is resulting in the threat of fishing population collapses around the globe. It is a global and micro-local issue that asks each of us what we will sacrifice and how we will re-organize our eating and other daily habits in order to care for the other people, plants, and animals with which we’re interdependent.

     

    #46260
    Amy Stamm
    Spectator

    Thanks for bringing up the topic of gender norms and food, Becky. Like you pointed out, preparing and serving food in the home - largely and stereotypically by women - is given an almost servile status, but male chefs dominate public spaces and are accorded all kinds of professional status. Women experience all kinds of discrimination, belittling, harassment, exclusion, and erasure in these spaces and are rarely accorded the status that men regularly achieve. It's interesting how the very same process is defined so differently when performed by different bodies. Though different, it reminds me of education systems in which women tend to occupy the teaching positions that are given lower status while men are much more likely to be promoted to administrative positions, making significantly higher salaries and holding significantly more power.

    #46261
    Amy Stamm
    Spectator

    Jennifer, thanks for including so many video clips this week. They really helped paint a picture of various fast food chains’ presence in different countries, and they’re great footage for students. I like your idea, Jennifer Smith, about analyzing ads and/or examining changes in their narrative structure over time. My students tend to be low income and hardly ever travel, so they tend to think of chains in American-centric terms. That’s why I’d like to use the interview with James Watson in class.

    I think he does a great job of showing how children have taken on a driving role in terms of consumption and how the local conditions, cultural priorities, and uses of public space in different countries have forced what many U.S. students perceive as immovable behemoths like McDonald’s to reshape themselves. I also really like Watson’s point that anthropologists have to “live where people live,…do what people do, and…go where people go” (p. 7) and his observation about the unfounded assertions of academics who draw baseless conclusions about phenomena like fast food chains because they remain sheltered in their elite circles. His story of being forced by his godchildren to pay attention to shifting conditions in Hong Kong was powerful. And it was so interesting to read about how high school students in Hong Kong transformed McDonald’s restaurants into after-school social clubs, which influenced McDonald’s to consider new ways of marketing their restaurants as safe, clean, gang-free, and alcohol-free afternoon clubs for teenagers, influencing parents to encourage their teenagers to hang out there and give them additional money for meals. I thought Watson’s argument that “consumers have appropriated corporate property and converted it into public space” (p. 8) was an important counter to the usual assumption that chains like McDonald’s are in full control of their customers.

    I also appreciated Watson’s examples of how McDonald’s exerted influence on other businesses in Hong Kong by providing clean bathrooms and air conditioning, thus raising standards for customer treatment, and Sanmee Bak’s illustration of how McDonald’s has acted as an example to other businesses of social responsibility (p. 141). Bak’s discussion of how McDonald’s adjusted to Koreans’ thinking that something that is inexpensive lacks quality by focusing on the term alch’an, which reframes value as something good packed in a protective shell is another great illustration of the constant negotiation that takes place as large chains land in different countries. Bak also shows how local values have influenced McDonald’s to adjust its supply chains in Korea to local suppliers in order to counter anti-American sentiment (p. 153).

    Solt’s illustration of how ramen was used to remake the image of Japan as both hip and unthreatening showed food as an ambassador, something that can jump references – from anime to movies to fashion – and invite consumers into a kind of international pop culture world. All of these articles showed the dialectical relationships, the constant on-the-ground negotiations, and the creation of new roles and new definitions of public/social space that fast food chains have enabled.

     

    #46262
    clay dube
    Spectator

    Here's the EAA article Amy mentions: https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/waste-politics-in-asia-and-global-repercussions/

    Here's a short video a USC student made with a student from Communication University of China on waste: https://china.usc.edu/global-exchange-program-2011-waste-not-want-not-geoff-marschall-and-crown-chen

    Not focused on food waste, but related, is Josh Goldstein's new book on recycling in Beijing's past and present: https://china.usc.edu/joshua-goldstein-recycling-beijing

     

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