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  • #8768
    clay dube
    Spectator

    We'll have two hours (9-11:15 am PDT) on Saturday, May 14 to talk about an amazing stretch of Chinese history, from the 1360s to 1800. We'll see the rebellion led by Zhu Yuanzhang defeat the Mongols. They establish the Ming dynasty. But a couple centuries later, the Manchus will defeat the Ming and incorporate China into their own multinational empire. The Qing empire lasts until 1911, but we'll stop with the death of the Qianlong emperor and the execution of his close ally, Heshen.

    https://usc.zoom.us/j/97346334531?pwd=VSt1dFYwNlFHckNDSi9NR2lubDdMZz09

    Meeting ID: 973 4633 4531
    Passcode: 705609 

    Ming dynasty

     

     

    Zheng He - outline of the aims and impact of the early 15th century voyages, together with recommended classroom activities (Columbia AFE ; Univ. of Tennessee, Chattanooga)

    Three primary source documents:
    Hongwu emperor proclamations, pdf below
    Ming-era commercial activities, pdf below
    Ming-era land contracts/landlord-tenant relations, pdf below

    And - a local discovery at the Huntington - Yongle Encyclopedia, pdf below

    Please note that in the Ming dynasty video lecture, there are two places where I've asked you to pause the video and comment. The first asks you to identify the values and priorities in the proclamations reading attached here and two placards introduced in the video. The second notes that China opened a bit to outsiders (Jesuit scientists) at just the time that the Tokugawa were closing most of Japan down (ca. 1600). What benefits might come from being open? What costs might be incurred?

    Qing

     

     

    Please dive into these primary source materials to help us understand some key issues in the Qing dynasty. This Manchu-governed dynasty lasted from 1644 to 1911, but our course concludes at 1800. So the Qing we're looking at is "high" Qing, meaning it was the largest and most advanced empire of its day (though by 1800, Britain was adding India to its empire, having just lost the thirteen American colonies). Still, by 1800, the problems the Qing would face were increasingly evident.

    One of those problems was an assertive West. In addition to the pdfs below, please read this letter from the Qianlong emperor to King George III of the United Kingdom: https://china.usc.edu/emperor-qianlong-letter-george-iii-1793.

    Required:
    Ebrey, Qing - Yangzhou massacre
    Ebrey, Qing - Magistrate's casebook

    Optional, but very interesting:
    Ebrey, Qing - novel excerpt, Headman and the Teacher
    Ebrey, Qing - genealogy rules -- Who is included and who isn't?

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    #46781
    Jennifer Marquez
    Spectator

    First, I would like to acknowledge the beautiful art and textiles from this era. I actually have a BFA in Fiber Arts and love the embroidery work that I saw in these lectures. I am currently teaching my Intro to Art students how to sew dolls from gloves, and as an extension how to embroider details onto the dolls. 

    After reflecting on the Proclamations of the Hongwu Emperor, it is important to note his disdain for the riff-raff of a community because they do not aid in bettering the community. He was also very clear in stating how those individuals would be punished. I think that our students could reflect upon this Proclamation and make comparisons to how we approach discipline in school and in our cities. It could become a very interesting debate, and ideas could be organized in a double bubble map. I think the philosophical ideals that they were drawing upon was Confucianism and Daoism, because they were really putting an emphasis on the elders upholding the ruling of law.

    #46784
    Hannah Klein
    Spectator

    The great wall is such an iconic historical site and I think it would be interesting to use it as an example of how borders between countries are demarcated and defended. When talking about California geography this year with my 3rd grade students, questions came up about borders of regions, countries, and states. I can imagine a unit for elementary age students that focuses on borders and looks at natural and unnatural borders that are closer to home (like the rio grande river and the US/Mexico border wall), and brings in an example of the great wall of China as a militarized border fortification apparatus that no longer exists as such... 

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    I know I've brought up the concept of absolutism before and in my class we consider Qianlong an absolute monarch. I use the Forbidden City which has a wonderful virtual tour online ( https://www.youvisit.com/tour/chinatour/100444 ), Qianlong’s robes and armor, his royal portrait, plus several documents that illustrate how he rules. Again we draw comparisons between things like the Mandate of Heaven and the concept of Divine right. We use the portrait of Qianlong in the yellow imperial robes and the royal equestrian portrait of Louis XIV to discuss why leaders would need/want to be portrayed certain ways.

     

    I love this letter from Emperor Qianlong to George III for several reasons. One of the things we try to highlight in our WORLD history class is how behind the west was at the beginning of the modern era. AP World History: Modern starts at 1200 to demonstrate how sophisticated the east was and how backwards Europe was. This letter from Emperor Qianlong not only highlights that Chinese perception of their greatness which is reflected in their culture throughout the centuries but also the global perception of Europe. Having received a very western education, that is something the west doesn’t want to talk about….that there was a time when they weren’t the dominant force in the world. And that the scales of the world change throughout history. Plus he’s just kind of cheeky and I love it.

    #46790

    I know I've brought up the concept of absolutism before and in my class we consider Qianlong an absolute monarch. I use the Forbidden City which has a wonderful virtual tour online ( https://www.youvisit.com/tour/chinatour/100444 ), Qianlong’s robes and armor, his royal portrait, plus several documents that illustrate how he rules. Again we draw comparisons between things like the Mandate of Heaven and the concept of Divine right. We use the portrait of Qianlong in the yellow imperial robes and the royal equestrian portrait of Louis XIV to discuss why leaders would need/want to be portrayed certain ways.

     

    I love this letter from Emperor Qianlong to George III for several reasons. One of the things we try to highlight in our WORLD history class is how behind the west was at the beginning of the modern era. AP World History: Modern starts at 1200 to demonstrate how sophisticated the east was and how backwards Europe was. This letter from Emperor Qianlong not only highlights that Chinese perception of their greatness which is reflected in their culture throughout the centuries but also the global perception of Europe. Having received a very western education, that is something the west doesn’t want to talk about….that there was a time when they weren’t the dominant force in the world. And that the scales of the world change throughout history. Plus he’s just kind of cheeky and I love it.

    #46791
    clay dube
    Spectator

    In my regular Chinese history course, we spend a lot of time on the 18th century. The Yongzheng and Qianlong reigns are fascinating. Among the imperial projects they oversaw was the building of Yuanmingyuan, which was a sprawling set of gardens. One of them was designed by a Jesuit missionary-painter. You can read a lot about these gardens and how the imperial family loved them, spending more time there than in the Forbidden City. The gardens were destroyed by a British-French combined force in 1860. It remains a serious wound for many in China. The destruction is a theme, along with the Opium Wars which preceded it, that looms large in Chinese schoolrooms and documentaries. I first visited it with my Chinese students in 1982. Parts of it have since been restored/developed. Here's a BBC article about it: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30810596. China produced a feature film inspired by the tragedy (and to further condemn Ci Xi, the empress dowager). I don't know if you can see the whole film, but the trailer is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkzAUeGmso It is possible to buy a dvd of the film for a reasonable price. A version with English subtitles (that kick in at the 9 minute mark) is available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V26PRvdz-jg. The film, like many films, has many inaccuracies, but is worth at least watching for some scenes, including the opening that has no dialogue. They filmed it at the Forbidden City and the splendor and pageantry is very much on display. It also includes a classic moment about the young Ci Xi. You can ask me about that at our last session on 6/6.

    #46956
    Hannah Klein
    Spectator

    I also love the cheeky/sassy tone of this letter and the way the emperor shuts down all of the king's request! I'm not a secondary teacher but I can see older students having fun riffing on/interpreting this source. For some reason, I can really see this interpreted as a rap!! It could be an engaging way for kids to dig into a primary source and express their learning through an arts-based modality. 

    #46992
    Ying Yu
    Spectator

    At begining of Qing dynasty, people were forced to have bianzi and changed their cloth styles(剃发易服). Those cloth styles in Ming dynasty mostly represent Confucious beliefs. However, Qing governers just barbarous destoried the culture and killed those people who did not want to change their life style. According to google search, around one million people died for this policy.

    Overall, Qing dynasty is a depressive dynasty. The government enslave majority people in China. They didn't trust Han people and had litrary inquisition(文字狱). Moreover, the government was corrupt. Office workers saled position to earn money.

     

    #46998
    Ying Yu
    Spectator

    Ming dynasty was not that far from our modern society, but when I read some books about Ming dynasty, I found that the culture of Ming dynasty was not that familiar. I read a book that called "Those things happened in Ming Dynasty" and ”1587, a Year of No Significance“. Those two historical books was so impressive that I understood more about confuician spirit in ancient Chinese society. Loyalty, righteousness, benevolence and filial piety are core principles in those scholar and official class. I was touched by what they did for the Ming Dynasty.

    #46999
    Ying Yu
    Spectator

    The picture of Qianlong is so interesting. Countries in our world are combined together. We definately cannot lock down on single country and set apart the country to learn from other countries. The arrogant attitude of Qianlong had taught Chinese people a lesson that no matter which country, we should stay humble and learn from other countries. I may use this as a teaching material for my future lesson plans. 

    However, based on some historial recordings, Qianlong or the whole Qing govenors were afraid of rebellion of Han people, so they afraid that if ordinary people learned so technologies from other countries, Manchu people might lose dominance. That's a reason of self-seclusion policy.

    #47017
    Ying Yu
    Spectator

    The Great Wall of China is a topic that  I may use some stories to teach my students

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