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  • #8863
    clay dube
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    Crystal Hsia and I are really looking forward to seeing everyone 5-6 pm Pacific time on Monday, September 12.

    In general - please watch the video lectures and read the assigned articles ahead of the discussion session. Please think about them and post your thoughts or questions in the discussion forum ahead of the discussion. You may also wish to post again after the discussion. Our aim is to extend our conversation and explore ways to bring these topics alive for your students.

    For our first lecture, we'll focus on some demography and geography basics for East Asia. What is the structure of the populations in each country or region? What are some geographical and environmental realities that pose challenges or offer advantages? Are you already teaching about these things in your classes? How do you work such topics into discussions? Please do some brainstorming on how such matters might be included in the courses you teach? How do population matters, land forms and water access and environmental considerations affect lives today and over the course of the past two centuries?

    In addition to the lecture on the region's demography and geography, please read the articles below, pdf downloads are available attached to this post.

    1. (Just scan this.) Lewis, "The End of the Rice Age," Financial Times, 2015.
    2. Nohara, "The Scars of Japan's Employment Ice Age," Businessweek, 2020.
    3. Various, South Korean and North Korean Environmental Challenges, The Guardian and Scientific American, 2019.
    4. Ruwitch, Kennedy and Qiu, On China's 2020 Census Results, NPR and CSIS, 2021.

    Please also feel free to post comments on these articles or to share other readings on these topics that you have found useful.

    East Asian Geography and Demography

     

     

    East Asia in 1800

     

     

    Required readings for the East Asia in 1800 lesson:

    1. Emperor Qianlong to King George III (online at: https://china.usc.edu/emperor-qianlong-letter-george-iii-1793)
    2. Heshen - charges against him and an inventory of his riches
    3. Ebrey, anti-opium placards in Guangzhou
    4. Aizawa Seishisai, Dealing with barbarians

    Optional (browse if you have time and interest)
    Daily Life in Edo
    Edo Art in Japan (complete exhibition catalog from the National Gallery of Art), includes many street scenes, chapters devoted to work, to samurai, to entertainment, and more: https://www.nga.gov/content/dam/ngaweb/research/publications/pdfs/edo-art-in-japan.pdf

     

     

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    #47314
    Denis Vovchenko
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    Hi, everyone,

    I am happy to be able to participate in another USC workshop! There are few such opportunities online or face-to-face here in Oklahoma where I teach European and world history courses at Northeastern State University. My own specialty is modern European history but I have a Eurasian focus on Christian Orthodox identity politics in Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and its successor states (1856-1939). Born and raised in Kazakhstan, I also have some Central Asian expertise.

     

    Aging population assignment – immigration is a hot topic in this country. Based on the assigned short readings, which country is more likely to encourage immigration to address its demographic decline – China or Japan? Why? Write your response in a 5-minute essay and share it in a small group.

     

    #47315
    Denis Vovchenko
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    All four Discussion 1 articles focus on longterm changes, an end of an era of Asian economic miracles (slowing or declining population growth, inefficient agriculture, shrinking fulltime job prospects). These sad trends may have a silver lining – pollution as in S. Korea (and China) should get less bad with fewer people and less dynamic industrial growth going forward. What do you think?

     

    #47316
    Denis Vovchenko
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    In my Asian history class, I will try to make use of those great readings and Clay’s points on population. In the past, in the introductory online forum, I had students introduce themselves and think of what constitutes “Asia” based on the assigned video and short readings criticizing the Eurocentric origin of the term “Asia”, arguing for the cultural unity of East Asia (Sino-centric Confucian), and the environmentally determined unity of “Monsoon Asia.” Here is my actual Discussion 1 assignment.

    August 24 Discussion 1

    What is Asia?

    Is Asia a “real” or a “fake” concept? In other words, is it a legitimate unit of study and analysis? Why? In your response, cite specific pages and movie scenes from all assigned materials.

    • “What is Asia?”, Video 01.1 from Asian Studies: Yesterday and Tomorrow
      Produced Fall 2015 by Christopher Mullis for the Hybrid Learning Consortium (8:41 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lqiLDUWHi0
    • Rhoads Murphey and Kristin Stapleton, “Monsoon Asia as a Unit of Study,” A History of Asia. 7th Edition (Boston: Pearson, 2014), 1-8.
    • Philip Bowring, “What is Asia?”, Far Eastern Economic Review, 135, 7 (12 February 1987):30-31
    • Charles Holcombe, “Rethinking Early East Asian History,” Education about Asia, 11, 2 (Fall 2006): 9-12
    • Amitav Acharya, “Asia Is Not One,” Journal of Asian Studies, 69, 4 (November 2010): 1001-1013

     

     

    #47317
    Denis Vovchenko
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    Economic growth is a hotly debated topic in this country (globalization and outsourcing vs. reindustrialization and protectionism etc.) Based on the assigned readings and the chart, was China’s failure to industrialize in the 1800s PRIMARILY a result of the choices made by its leadership or of the policies imposed by foreign interventions? Write your response in a 5-minute essay and share it in a small group.

     

     

    #47318
    Denis Vovchenko
    Spectator

    I am assuming Clay is going to share his great chart in jpeg or PowerPoint – it is a great starting point but without context it seems to naturalize various economic trajectories –imperialism was another “invisible hand.” I am referring to the destruction of competing Indian handicrafts by the British overlords in the 1700s and 1800s, the “opening” of the Ottoman Empire and of China after the Crimean War and the Opium Wars respectively. Students might remember from American history that at the same time the USA was rapidly industrializing using high tariffs as a shield against cheaper British goods. Did you anyone have that kind of teaching moment?

     

    #47320

    I am teaching geography this year and several topics discussed in this session would great to incorporate into our class discussion. Climate change for instance is one of the topics we discuss so I thought it would be interesting to do a comparison between the water shortages in East Asia compared to our own water shortages here in the United States. Given the fact that we have a lot more renewable water resources are an interesting point of comparison.

    The “End of the Rice Age” reading kind of blew my mind because I never really thought about food consumption and an aging population. When we talk about aging populations in the world, I always talk about Japan so it is fascinating that there is that connection. That is something I will definitely be using in my Geography class.

    #47321

    When we discuss population growth and limits on population in Geography, we usually discuss both China and Japan. China for their family planning policies where we analyze the pros and cons of such a plan and what the impacts have been. With Japan, discussing an aging population, I compare it to the Baby boomers and do a cultural comparison. As awkward as it might be I ask them about their plan for when their own parents get old. With that we discuss retirement communities and old folks’ homes but then I have them research anything like that in Japan. We discuss the differences in culture between the US and Japan. This also leads us into a discussion of declining population about why people would or would not want children. We talk about the economics of it and social structures that make it easier or harder.

    #47323

    In my World history class we start at 1200 CE and one of the things we try to point out is how irrelevant Europe is at that point. Our western educated students think Europe has been the leader of civilization forever. Using data that illustrates the economic impact of the Industrial Revolution but also shows the might at China was prior to the Industrial Revolution. It also opens a door to discuss imperialism and the weakening of the Chinese state leading into the 20th century. Then you could ask students what China might have been like if they had progressed at the same rate as Europe.

    #47324

    Hi all,

    My name is Sudarshan, I am an author, researcher and columnist with 9 years of expereince in the field of communications, journalism and research in India. Currently a graduate student in masters in public diplomacy for mid career professionals at USC Annenberg. I am working on a research project focussing on global communication in Asia, hence thought this course could be helpful. 

    Also had a couple of book recommendations to make in alignment with the ideas shared by Clay in the videos: 1) How Asia works by Joe Studwell, some of you may have come across this title. The other is 2) China, a 5000 year odyssey by Prof. Tan Chung, an eminent historian. 

    Both helpful in understanding ideas, concepts in the emergence of important Asian countries from a historical and contemporary angle that weaves into our course. 

    More in due course!

     

    #47325
    Denis Vovchenko
    Spectator

     

    Per Clay’s request, I am spelling out my question to him today (12 Sept 2022). Qianlong’s reply to George III’s mission (1794) raised several questions in my brain at least. Did Qianlong’s arrogance simply go back to the vassal state tradition? Or did he also know about George III’s loss of the 13 colonies? Another parallel I had in mind was Selim III’s letter to Louis XVI. Clearly, Selim III was a new sultan in contrast to the much more experienced Qianlong. Still, Selim III came from the Ottoman tradition of treating the Christian (and Shiite Iranian) rulers as inferior. Still, Selim III asked for advice instead of semi-politely rejecting any contact in the manner of Qianlong in 1794. In both cases, pride goes before fall. In 1796, China would be plunged into the White Lotus Uprising (1796-1804). Selim III’s model, Louis XVI, would be humbled following the Bastille Day that same year. Not to say that the French king was totally incompetent. He would accept the constitution but then it would be a perfect storm for both rulers. Selim III would outlive Louis XVI but would also fall victim to internal violence in 1805-1807.

     

    #47326

    The example of Kempher(sorry if I am misspelling his name) translating Japan's illustrated encylopedia in German and subsequently in English was striking. Also the fact that the Japanese were interested to learn dutch especially in fields such as anatomy, medicine(albeit a colonial impression). That prompts my question.. were countries and their populace intertwined to a certain extent at least generating curiousity and interest to learn more about one another or has globalisation in contemporary times has derailed that aspect a bit? Discuss!

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