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  • #46506
    clay dube
    Spectator

    Billibilli is a hugely popular Chinese video/social media site. Here a fellow has created an 11 minute video summary of the animated version of Animal Farm: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1U4411j7KD/  Even if you can't understand Chinese, you can follow the story. Hold on to 9:30 when the revisionist message comes through. The full animation is available on the platform: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oF411a7Dd/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.-1 Both the original English narration and Chinese subtitles are included. (Billibilli is hugely popular in China. The video is also on YouTube with Chinese subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlBLSqRBmIA .

    Here's a Beijing University professor's notes about Animal Farm (in Chinese): https://www.guancha.cn/LiLing/2013_03_18_132531.shtml

    #46507
    Todd Rutley
    Spectator

    I have tried to compare the Chinese political system under the CCP to the US system…but that approach did not fully engage students. Too “top down”, “too abstract”. OK, next I decided to teach about tangible policies under the CCP that were relevant to students and that showed differences between the Chinese and US situations.

    The practical “bottom-up” examples I have used to compare China and the US are K-12 and STEM education, economic growth & development, covid-19 management, incarceration rates, and high-speed passenger rail (HSR).

    In this approach I teach about important actions that China is making due in part to its political model and the political governance approach it has taken (in other words, under CCP leadership). See below an example of this teaching approach using HSR.

    Why Is China Successful in High-Speed Rail?

    1. China’s one-party political system promotes long-term planning
    2. China seeks to be a global leader in rail technology. See “Made in China 2025” plan  
    3. China’s top politicians are typically engineers, not lawyers
    4. Politicians are rewarded for faster GDP growth, a top CCP priority
    5. CCP understands that HSR is a “public good” (like education) that has benefits for users and non-users (less traffic, less urban space devoted to cars, cleaner air, better economy) 
    6. The CCP understands how HSR helps economic development by promoting personal mobility and connectivity
    7. China has always relied on trains for most inter-city travels because personal cars were rare before the 1990s, air travel was very limited, and buses were slow & uncomfortable. So, the conventional rail network was always preserved (US shut most passenger rail after WWII)
    8. The HSR network is an example to China’s people and the world that the “China Model” of political governance and economic development can deliver superior results compared to the US model      

    Why Is USA Not Successful in High-Speed Rail?

    1. Many US politicians prioritize building prisons and border walls: Chinese politicians want to build domestic and international connections (see Belt and Road Initiative or BRI)
    2. Republicans may oppose HSR because it benefits democratic cities in North-East & West Coast
    3. Politicians are financially rewarded for favoring special interests, not the public good
    4. The “special interests” are those that can make $$ contributions before the next election
    5. The 4-year electoral cycle, with the last year often spent on fundraising and campaigning, promotes short-term fixes and actions rather than big infrastructure initiatives
    6. USA’s political system promotes both short-term thinking & partisanship that increases social divisions, making agreement on big projects harder to achieve
    7. USA’s top politicians are typically lawyers with little practical experience
    8. Few US politicians understand that public transportation & HSR is a “public good” (like education) and think that it should be operated by the private sector or not-at-all
    9. Most US politicians do not understand how HSR helps economic development.  Post WWII, US politicians closed many city streetcar systems, defunded inter-city rail, and then built highways so the affluent could escape the cities. (The LA example). Think about how this affected different social classes!
    10. The lack of a HSR network is an example of the “USA Model” of political governance and economic development that favors short-term talk over long-term progress

    Teaching Relevance & Questions

    There are many reasons why HSR is successful in China and nonexistent in the USA. This should raise many questions.

    Should HSR be supported by government or is that “communism”?    

    Has the US relied too heavily on the private sector?  Or, has China relied too heavily on the public sector? 

    Would HSR reduce US pollution and global warming by cutting automobile usage?

    Can we learn something positive from the China model?

    The attached PDF contains references and more background.

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    #46514

    My team is excited to look more at the Animal Farm/China connection.  Thanks for the resources

    #46516

    While I would like my students to see me as “divine with a certain holiness,” I find it disturbing that China, like United States, wants to depict teachers as saviors. The first story described, about a teacher who wants to reform a student, reminds me of Dangerous Minds or Lean on Me.  While good teachers certainly want to help all students, the ideals presented in these stories make the merely competent of us frustrated.  What other profession is supposed to solve all these problems? 

     

    I was also curious about the gender stereotype described: “men are tolerant, respectful and encouraging towards children, whereas women are malicious and narrow-minded and frequently yell at children.” Does this stereotype come from the experiences of women as the primary care-giver, who can’t be patient all the time, vs the husband who spends a few hours with the child?  I just spent part of this weekend caring for a three-year-old boy, and while he has excellent parents, I was able to summon up more patience for his questions.  I, however, got to send him home this morning, while they are with him all the time. 

    I am encouraged by the story of Hu Ruofan and his fight for the inclusion and education of disabled students.  This might be an interesting read for pre-service teachers.

     

    #46522
    Antonette Pelaez
    Spectator

    Question: 

    What is the hierarchy of status in China and what benefits are available depending on one’s status? 

     

    The social structure in China begins from the feudal society of Imperial China. The rulers were the emperors and they used a large number of aristocrats and landowners to enable them to maintain control. Then over time, this social structure changed to a powerful government offices selected throughout the imperial examination system. During those times, achieving the ascent of social class required passing a difficult written exam and the acquisition of wealth. Majority of the people failed the exams, but those who passed their entire family improved in social class. 

     

    In Imperial China, the country is divided into four social classes. These classes were primarily defined by an individual’s identity, and the four classes are aristocrat or landowners, peasants, craftsmen and merchants. The aristocrats or landowners were the higher class of the society. They were the wealthy landowners who didn’t have a noble title, but still had plenty of power and influence. While the Emperor governed, the aristocrats ruled the land. The craftsmen were involved in various types of work such as textile production, potteries, and several architectural projects. They had a significant role in the empire because of their specific abilities to provide for the needs of the kingdom. The peasants were the members who toil on the land, they  consist of small farmers, tenants and other land laborers. They produce rice and wheat. Farmers were an important community group because they play a role in producing food for the sustainability of the empire. The merchant’s main job is to sell and transport food and goods. They were considered the lowest level among the four social classes. They were looked down upon by Imperial Chinese society because they did not produce anything for the empire. 

     

    Question: How might you discuss with students the issue of documentation and status?

     

    A person's social standing may be based on such factors as wealth, occupation, level of education and family relationships. As educators, we can teach our students that we always have opportunities to change documentation and improve our social status. If unfortunately we belong to the low class, poverty group, or low -income population, we  teach them these three helpful ways to be successful either by finishing their studies or by accumulating wealth through 1) teaching them the value of hard work 2) teaching them to think positively 3) teaching them to be committed to their goals. 

     

    #46525

    We look at social and economic status throughout history, but we haven't really talked about documentation status except during our unit on the Holocaust. Reading about the home registry system and how China tries to control both recordkeeping and internal movements makes me want to look at this more, and relate it back to my own students' experiences. How many of my students have government ids? How many have passports? What is required to obtain these documents? Why does even a state ID card cost money?  Washington state has mail-in voting for everyone, so voter id isn't an issue, but how does the difficulty of providing id affect voting in other states?  

     

    #46569
    clay dube
    Spectator

    Hukou is much less important than it once was in China, but it is still very important in education and health care. Some cities are now striving to recruit college grads with an entrepreneurial bent to locate in their towns. They are hukou and sometimes start up capital and more. I've attached one good history of the institution. There were historical antecedents (registration systems in Ming and Qing China tied to security or tax collection) and movement restrictions in the Soviet Union. The big push was to avoid the rise of dislocated folks in urban centers. That was largely a fear of potential unrest.

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    #46617

    Todd,

    I found this distinction between Mao the revolutionary and Deng Xiao Pong the economists as an interesting basis for an end-of-year class discussion. In my class we examine historic revolutions (French, American, Russian, Latin America, Iran), and the fictional revolution of Animal Farm.  With each revolution we look at both the ideals expressed by the revolutionaries and the difficulty of running a country (or farm) afterwards. Students are quick to pick up on how the skills of a revolutionary leader are often different than the skills of a political leader.  I also wonder if we could draw some parallels with Gandhi and his disagreements with Nehru about the best way to organize the Indian economy.

    #46618

    I think looking at both how the pandemic is handled, and how the news covers the pandemic are important.  KBS World Infographics site (http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_graphic_list.htm?lang=e&menu_cate=infographics) has some good information about Covid in Korea, both cases and treatment.  The news article also explore discussions of social distancing and immunization guidelines.  

    #46650
    Kayla Kolean
    Spectator

    Thank you so much for your time to dicuss China's government changing their history taught in this lecture. As an educator, I know the value of perspective when looking at any event or topic. As a teacher, I will be giving the students information on a topic, and I am more of a currator because there is always some information that I will not include in my teaching. 

    While some may move towards teaching multiple prespectives in order to give focus and information from multiple lenses, I know that sometimes schools will take a stance to either teacher something a certain way or not at all. One major issue for American school still is Sex Education where each state, and even each school, are in charge of what is taught in regards to this topic.

    As an educator, I see China's government is being a bit more propoganda-based in its retelling of history as it provides a very positive portayal of China. This has some similairies to the debate in 2020 about how U.S. schools should teach about slavery and its influence on America formation and effects still felt today. Both the Chinese government and U.S. schools are figuring out what the purpose of their history is for. Is it to glorify the past, highlight heros, give voice to minorities, present multiple perspectives to highlight complexity of the events, or something else. Growing up in the early 2000s, I experienced a cookie-cutter telling of history with a few different perspectives. Being a teacher in 2020s, I see more perspectives and primary sources being used, which leads to what many educators believe is best practice to get critical thinking. This is why my gut reaction to the rose-colored-glasses rewrite China did as less ideal in the long run. 

    What type of history do you highlight in your teaching?

    #46651
    Kayla Kolean
    Spectator

    Growing up, we are taught that bad people go to jail, so you do not have to worry about that because you are not a bad person.

    However, there are issues with this because as you look closer at incarceration rates, you wonder if there are truely that many "bad" people. As I grew older, I remember thinking, "who decideds who 'bad' people are" and "are there levels of jail to match the level of 'bad'"? Looking back these are questions that I never asked in school, but that I wish were something that I could have explored more.

    I know that recently I hear more about jail than in recent history from people being unjustly jailed, how the jailing system in America is big business, and other countries jailing people due to social or political issues.

    The question about human rights violations in China vs. America because is reminds me of the Treaty we learned about the first week and how Britian did not want to be judged for crimes in China by Chinese law because the punishments were viewed from the British and too cruel. If teachers do open a discussion about this, the cultural perspectives of what is "fair punishment" and "cruel punishment" should be explored. For example, after 9/11 some cruel techniques like water-boarding were used, and later outlawed. Another example is "isolation" that is being reassessed because of the harm it does to humans. Lastly, California just passed new laws for its police force on techniques that they cannot use, like choke holds. I wonder what typed of punishment forms China is rethinking now or even using that might be considered cruel by American perspective.

    Kayla Kolean

    #46652
    Kayla Kolean
    Spectator

    Thank you so much for this overview Todd! After living in Japan and traveling everywhere by train, I was so sad to be forced to drive when I returned to America. I postulated that America was just too big for the same system. However, if I looked at China, I would see an example of a country that is very large and uses trains. The reasons that you listed are really easy to understand. I can see where articles can be used to get students to these points in a project of class lesson. 

    I still really miss trains. Anyone else a fan of public transportation?

    A reason I might add is the cultural perspectives. In America, we are very focused on the individual so personalized transporations like cars is hugely popluar, where the group and group benefits are highlighted in countried like Japan so a great public transportation system that can support the group is popular.

    Kayla Kolean

    #46658
    Betsy Ures
    Spectator

    I love talking about the different approaches to trains between China and America. Your point about the CCP being able to plan "long term" is a striking point. Many of my students depend on public transportation and have shown an interest in discussing high speed rail! Thanks for the ideas.

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